Dear Mr & Mrs Cameron,
Why did you never take the time to teach your child basic morality?
As a young man, he was in a gang that regularly smashed up private property. We know that you were absent parents who left your child to be brought up by a school rather than taking responsibility for his behaviour yourselves. The fact that he became a delinquent with no sense of respect for the property of others can only reflect that fact that you are terrible, lazy human beings who failed even in teaching your children the difference between right and wrong. I can only assume that his contempt for the small business owners of Oxford is indicative of his wider values.
Even worse, your neglect led him to fall in with a bad crowd. He became best friends with a young man who set fire to buildings for fun. And others:
There’s Michael Gove, whose wet-lipped rage was palpable on Newsnight last night. This is the Michael Gove who confused one of his houses with another of his houses in order to avail himself of £7,000 of the taxpayers’ money to which he was not entitled (or £13,000, depending on which house you think was which).
Or Hazel Blears, who was interviewed in full bristling peahen mode for almost all of last night. She once forgot which house she lived in, and benefited to the tune of £18,000. At the time she said it would take her reputation years to recover. Unfortunately not.
But, of course, this is different. This is just understandable confusion over the rules of how many houses you are meant to have as an MP. This doesn’t show the naked greed of people stealing plasma tellies.
Unless you’re Gerald Kaufman, who broke parliamentary rules to get £8,000 worth of 40-inch, flat screen, Bang and Olufsen TV out of the taxpayer.
Or Ed Vaizey, who got £2,000 in antique furniture ‘delivered to the wrong address’. Which is fortunate, because had that been the address they were intended for, that would have been fraud.
Or Jeremy Hunt, who broke the rules to the tune of almost £20,000 on one property and £2,000 on another. But it’s all right, because he agreed to pay half of the money back. Not the full amount, it would be absurd to expect him to pay back the entire sum that he took and to which he was not entitled. No, we’ll settle for half. And, as in any other field, what might have been considered embezzlement of £22,000 is overlooked. We know, after all, that David Cameron likes to give people second chances.
Fortunately, we have the Met Police to look after us. We’ll ignore the fact that two of its senior officers have had to resign in the last six weeks amid suspicions of widespread corruption within the force.
We’ll ignore Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met.
Of course, Mr and Mrs Cameron, your son is right. There are parts of society that are not just broken, they are sick. Riddled with disease from top to bottom.
Just let me be clear about this (It’s a good phrase, Mr and Mrs Cameron, and one I looted from every sentence your son utters, just as he looted it from Tony Blair), I am not justifying or minimising in any way what has been done by the looters over the last few nights. What I am doing, however, is expressing shock and dismay that your son and his friends feel themselves in any way to be guardians of morality in this country.
Can they really, as 650 people who have shown themselves to be venal pygmies, moral dwarves at every opportunity over the last 20 years, bleat at others about ‘criminality’. Those who decided that when they broke the rules (the rules they themselves set) they, on the whole wouldn’t face the consequences of their actions?
Are they really surprised that this country’s culture is swamped in greed, in the acquisition of material things, in a lust for consumer goods of the most base kind? Really?
Let’s have a think back: cash-for-questions; Bernie Ecclestone; cash-for-access; Mandelson’s mortgage; the Hinduja passports; Blunkett’s alleged insider trading (and, by the way, when someone has had to resign in disgrace twice can we stop having them on television as a commentator, please?); the meetings on the yachts of oligarchs; the drafting of the Digital Economy Act with Lucian Grange; Byers’, Hewitt’s & Hoon’s desperation to prostitute themselves and their positions; the fact that Andrew Lansley (in charge of NHS reforms) has a wife who gives lobbying advice to the very companies hoping to benefit from the NHS reforms. And that list didn’t even take me very long to think of.
Our politicians are for sale and they do not care who knows it.
Oh yes, and then there’s the expenses thing. Widescale abuse of the very systems they designed, almost all of them grasping what they could while they remained MPs, to build their nest egg for the future at the public’s expense. They even now whine on Twitter about having their expenses claims for getting back to Parliament while much of the country is on fire subject to any examination. True public servants.
The last few days have revealed some truths, and some heartening truths. The fact that the #riotcleanup crews had organised themselves before David Cameron even made time for a public statement is heartening. The fact that local communities came together to keep their neighbourhoods safe when the police failed is heartening. The fact that there were peace vigils being organised (even as the police tried to dissuade people) is heartening.
There is hope for this country. But we must stop looking upwards for it. The politicians are the ones leading the charge into the gutter.
David Cameron was entirely right when he said: “It is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society, people allowed to think that the world owes them something, that their rights outweigh their responsibilities, and that their actions do not have consequences.”
He was more right than he knew.
And I blame the parents.
*** EDIT – I have added a hyperlink to a Bullingdon article after a request for context from an American reader. I have also added the sentence about Nick Clegg as this was brought to my attention in the comments and it fits in too nicely to leave out. That’s the way I edited it at 18:38 on the 11th August, 2011 ***
***EDIT 2 – I’ve split the comments into pages as, although there were some great discussions going on in them, there were more than 500 and the page was taking *forever* to load for some people, and not loading at all for others. I would encourage everyone to have a poke around in the comments, as many questions and points have been covered, and there are some great comments. Apologies if it looks like your comment has disappeared. ***
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August 10, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Tim Twelves
Funny. I wrote an Open Letter To The Met the other day- y’know. For fun. I wonder how many other Open Letters will appear over the next few days?
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150336522870132
August 10, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Supertuber
What an incredible crock of shit.
August 11, 2011 at 7:01 am
Nathaniel Tapley
It is incredible, isn’t it?
August 10, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Ed Seyfried
Really stupid letter, doesn’t even warrant a critiical analysis but your byline is right “Where comedy meets writing. And they don’t really get on” – they certainly don’t, you’re naive and clueless
August 10, 2011 at 5:53 pm
wanthaniel
You’re either part of the problem, or part of the solution, nathaniel, you irretrievably glib cock.
Suggest you locate your testicles, stop moaning and get some fresh air.
August 10, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
Ha! I am certainly an ‘irretrievably glib cock’ and it’s such a delightful phrase, you win a kiss. Mwah!
August 10, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Keith Farnish
Consumer Culture = Stuff that people are urged to desire and will try to obtain at any price or means.
Consumer Culture = Looting.
Any questions?
August 10, 2011 at 5:57 pm
BlackScorpiob
Nathaniel: Interesting points you make. It is a feature of our modern society that oh so many people want to look at somebody else to blame (as many of the comments above show). Yet, who would become a politican – even at a local level – when to do so immediately classes you as somebody who is creaming off society. Who wants to get involved to change something when that could mean that they would get the blame when something doesn’t go to plan? It is all left to those who are thick-skinned (and possibly thick headed as well) to do the dirty work of being in government because no right minded person would get involved in politics or anything else to help make society at large a better place. Perhaps it is the parents being too liberal with their children, too easy going, too willing to blame someone else or something else than see their child in the wrong. Perhaps its the parents of those parents who started it all…
I blame the grand-parents.
(meanwhile – I have a council meeting to go to)
August 10, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Jenna Appleseed
Wow – just wow.
August 10, 2011 at 6:02 pm
John Slade
For a Prime Minister that appeared to believe in Fairness, Equality and Justice appears that was just a illusion
August 10, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Nick Broad
I love the sum up of government scandals. I would LOVE to see the last 40 years of this — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_scandals_in_the_United_Kingdom — discussed at length in the Times (or Guardian or whatever).
My only problem with the article is a writerly one: it would be nice to see you stay in voice throughout, and keep it directed, in voice, towards David Cameron’s parents.
Good job though!
August 10, 2011 at 6:09 pm
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August 10, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Lex
Dear GOD!! Thank you THANK YOU for this letter. It’s everything i’d been thinking and feeling, but it makes sence.. STANDING OVATION!!
August 10, 2011 at 6:14 pm
An Unreliable Witness
I met David Cameron’s dad a couple of times. We had the same prosthetist. He was friendly, but rather shy. True story. But, erm, that’s beside the point. This was a fantastic piece of writing, and a sane commentary at a time when so much of the response is becoming worryingly reactionary and kneejerk (including from own Prime Minister). Thank you.
August 10, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Shaun
Some of these people are not in camerons crowd and I don’t think Cameron made any false expense claims either… Just sayin’ !!
August 10, 2011 at 6:24 pm
omrisuleimanom
Mexican Wave !
August 10, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Henry Fryer
It is a pretty poor argument. The government in power is largely irrelevant. We changed the bastad after the car went over the cliff.
I am ‘the youth of today’ and I feel disenfranchised. I have chosen to not live in the UK because I feel like I do not belong there. I live in Thailand, life here is much better. I am proud to live in Thailand, it is an amazing country, I feel ashamed to live in the UK. Yes the ‘youths’ are causing all of these peoblems but WHY are they doing it….that is the important question.
Why do they have no respect, no morals, no line beween right and wrong? The system is failing them.
August 10, 2011 at 8:23 pm
tarotworldtour
I am from the US and have spent a lot of time in South Korea… not a great place but you do not get these kinds of social problems. Scores of British friends and clients have complained about the unraveling of the social fabric of the UK. I think as an expat you get to not fully participate in the social problems of a country, having some special status.
August 11, 2011 at 8:23 am
Puppy Sandwich
If you had the necessary financial wherewithal to relocate to far-flung exotic locales, you’re not really that disenfranchised.
August 10, 2011 at 6:33 pm
roof30
Nathaniel Tapley you are a genius. Astonishingly well written (that is no slight upon your good self), and a fantastically humorous article, albeit making some very serious points.
August 10, 2011 at 6:42 pm
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August 10, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Kwabena William
To singalong with my fellow african revolutionary Fela Kuti. This is for DEMO CRAZY, This for CON DEMS. Your tory story bores me now I am not watching the throne because your programme it is as decaying as the iron thing they is thatched but call a lady. This is for the Lords of Manors that really truly control our ends. This is to my unborn child and all the children that are our future.
Do not let them bring up the Howling monkey, he is toothless now and just honks like a donkey. Like Gil Scot Heron the revolution shall not be televised and in the year that he passed our way we are living still in this sorry story. This is an epidemic like the drugs our society like intoxicating illicit substances managers and majors allowed Amy to take. What a sorry state of affairs! Beware.
They call us gangsters, gollywogs and goons! Hoodies, hooligans and so called hoodrats. They say the problem is at the other end of the spectrum until this theatre of the oppressed affects them. You know why we call them 5 0, Pigs or boy dem because like the can of fizz they are quick to pop and you just need small change to buty them.
They labelled us disenfranchised, disaffected, deplorable, despicable, diseased and disgusting. Well we take offence to that, your disses only give me venom for my actions fuel me to retrace the steps like crimewatch. Science teaches every action has a reaction and with every cause there is an effect. You label us ethnic minorities, you do not want us to misdirect. You put us all in categorises based on Darwinism which only serves the William lynches that believed class wars and a hierarchy would never bring anarchy to the slaves ship we call it the commonwealth. Now tell me what is common about our wealth? Our parent(s) work as wage slaves whilst you live in lofty mansions on lofty mansions on Queensbridge road, you say go home, stop the violence, stay in your manor, then you put us on lockdown and blockade our streets.
So I guess Hackney will be having no carnival for parks for life on Dalston’s Kingsland High street. You blame it on our yout them when long before it was blair and bush if you ever see an urban fox on road don’t call, do not get Murdoch out the loony tunes place there cos he will get B.A vex and brock up in the sky and without face the whole world just get shook, so tell me were is Hannibal without him there is no cigar, it tars your heart with black clouds that in turn make you start.
So when they drive off in the black van saying I love when a plan comes together. Didn’t that teach us all that we are impoverished disaffected youth because a community with unity gives us people power. So if a few kind people help out that will them makes see the ill wills don’t stay at home on your QT watching his film called kill bill. When the smoke clears and darknesses shadow lifts weight off our shoulder that all the burning and the looting are all part are all part of a bigger problem. Please see the big screen plasma picture. It was written in many of Nostradamus scriptures.
The rhetoric is then to answer why? Evolution brings Revolution and with resolution is how we will solve them. Teach the children truth and stop re writing His story. I will tell this like William Tell or Shakespeare with Othello the blackamoor was lied to by Iago that is why he pillow snuffed his true love Desdemona.
Gone off point poetically I know but if he wants me to call him Prime Minister then that minister shouldn’t act so sinister if wants me to call him the President then he should know how it feels to live in my residents. Even the Obamas have drama from the puppet masters with a string. Even the great black leaders are tarnished with sex tapes, rapes, illicit drugs and shot on balconies by hired thugs. Do not forget this has been going since the dawn of existence, read the Bible or Quran and you will see the Babylonian persistence to keep us all from a place of paradise. Don’t make your vice consume you because it will eat your head like lice.
So I will not be long, I WILL conclude I will not be crude but my people please dig deeper for the answer, do not misdirect your anger with senseless fires, look at the empires from which they brought us. This establishment is an embarrassment yet we want drink from its world cups we set up the olympics in east london with dirty words like regeneration and re-gentrification. Tell Garvey in his grave you paid to get on their wind-rush.
We takeover youth centres building plush condos in the hood then leave the churches empty so x amounts of holy men can teach our boys to hate we! So my fight is not with Westminster have you even seen our Palace my fight is not with spun politicians, forgive them lord for they have sinned, if we do not address this ugly under belly then the Police will always be our enemy of state they will come up in six blacked pull man out, plant evidence, kill on site then ICCCCCun??? Enemies of progress what are they called again? To make up some nonsense statement.
NO good byes or sweet sentiments it just 1will. 1.x
We don’t have father figures or community
August 12, 2011 at 6:35 am
Digger
Kwabena- keep on. This stands out as an incredible post. You have dreams, wisdom, vision and courage…. where are you? London? Performance Poet?
August 10, 2011 at 6:56 pm
harryg3639
Very interesting, but very shortsighted. You forgott the wankers , oops the bankers . Cameron doesn’t run the country, he just distributes taxes and has absolutely no power when when it comes to serious issues.The gravy train starts and ends with bankers and how wealth is distributed .if i went to a bank asking for a 2k overdraft i’d be laughed out of the building , now asking for 10 million it would be coffee , cakes and an expensive dinner. But the interest would be 15.8pc but they would borrow at 0.5 pc. Now thats the taxpayers savings he’s lending you …… ooops Cameron gave the bank the money , taxpayers … so he could pay his boys wages . Merv king and the city of London run the country …… check your bank statement
August 10, 2011 at 8:29 pm
tarotworldtour
Harry, bless you for telling the truth and summarizing a very complex matter in a way that is clearly related. Everyone knows this on some level – most people put blinders on, some master the rules, some work around it, and in the case of the youths, because they cannot articulate what you have done, they just react with rage indiscriminately. The problem is we think of the £60,000 a year civil servant or small business owner as “the rich” when really they are working class in the new order. We are all completely irrelevant to the core Establishment, except when our consent or signing a law comes into play. The best thing we can do is buy and trade with each other, spend all the time with kids that we can and show them how to grow food and work, and work out cheap financing for each other to work outside of the system.
August 10, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Ghost of Madison
I agree with you that the PM’s moral authority on this issue is compromised by his background. It’s an interesting point worth making. But beyond that, what constructive ideas do u have as to how we make things better? The remainder of the article was just old news brought out for satirical effect. I appreciate that was your aim but still, it would be nice to see the debate move on.
August 10, 2011 at 8:51 pm
orbital10
I think it’s enough, at this point, at least, to admit that there are some interesting similarities between our politicians and the children that grew up under them. I’m not for a minute going to condone the actions of these people, as it’s indefensible, but then again, neither are the admittedly less destructive, but just as immoral, fraudulent actions of the MPs who took something that is a privilege for granted.
And that brings me to the next point; these two groups both have something else in common, that somehow, they’re owed these things. I got the feeling during the expense scandal that some of them just did not get it; that somehow, they they deserved these things. That ‘we owed them a living’. Ultimately, small apology aside, no one really took any real responsibility for these actions, and that’s basically the same thing that we’ve heard from some of the looters.
Ultimately, the political class, as it has become, do not represent the people that they stand for, and they haven’t for about 30 years now. There are a handful of course, but the backgrounds for most of the politicians in power now, and recently, do not give them the remit to speak for us, unless we’re a nation of ex journalists and PR, who see this more as a living rather than a vocation, their their priorities skewed accordingly. Do whatever you need to be in power, appeal to your fan base, certainly don’t try to be a leader, react to things as they happen, don’t plan ahead or be proactive about it.
Whatever, i’m not going to be so naive as to blame this purely for the violence, people need to take their own responsibility for their actions, but it’s pretty clear that they’re not the only ones. If they don’t see their job as being role models for the people grouping up within their society and creating public policy that will benefit everyone, not just the few, then what’s their *point*?
Meh, i’m rambling now. I’m sure there’s a point somewhere…
August 10, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Alfie Bass
I’m astounded by the number of people chiming in with intellectual reasons for the rioting – beyond the initial one *there aren’t any* – it’s simply a bunch of young thugs and vandals taking advantage of the situation to loot.
This has happened for *centuries* whenever such youngsters felt they could get away with it – it’s simply an extension of breaking into an abandoned property or throwing stones through the window of the pensioner who can’t retaliate.
And I blame the parents too – but it’s not their fault really, it’s the fault of our education system that *still* does not make a big enough issue out of basic life skills and our social system that still does next to nothing to insist that businesses requiring simple unskilled workers locate themselves *where such workers live* rather than on industrial estates miles from anywhere.
August 11, 2011 at 11:18 am
Poor Richard
Hi Alfie, I found your comment interesting, especially the historical context of social disorder over the centuries. Such scenes would not have been thought so surprising in eighteenth-century cities, I agree, and they fall very much into the human context of those with less moral compass ‘getting away with it’. However, I think that trying to analyse the underlying causes of why such behaviour is still afflicting our modern cities, and manifesting itself at this moment, is valuable and perhaps essential if we are to think of a way to put the country on a better path. Else, the same young people who committed these crimes are still going to be here tomorrow, next year.
I would contend that far from the claims that the education system is leaving children ‘lacking’ life skills, there is in fact a larger percentage than ever before more firmly instructed in the core skills of literacy and numeracy. What has changed is that these skills are no longer adequate in order to access the modern world of jobs, which have rapidly transformed to require advanced technical and other skills you simply cannot acquire by age 16 in school. Hence the efforts to get more young people to continue into higher education, or to encourage businesses to offer vocational training. The trend has been in fact encouraging up to now, rising year on year.
The challenge is, as you suggest, whether we can convince all young people to take what is a longer, more challenging path to a productive future.
August 10, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Christopher
I’ve got a good idea to sort out this whoooooole mess. We round up anyone involved in looting, their parents, their grandparents. We ship them out to an uninhabited island, then we drop a dirty bomb on it. Any MPs who get caught fiddling with anything get fired and lose their pension. Then i become the king of the country and hire Nathaniel as my second in command.
August 10, 2011 at 7:14 pm
brian
people’s parents die…………..that’s the way it goes
August 10, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Anon
While this article is witty and I agree with many of the points about politicians you’ve inherently missed one of the most important points any parent should teach their children – that retribution and “an eye for an eye” does not solve anything. You cannot justify any negative action by pointing out another. After all, “In a mud fight, everyone gets dirty”.
Yes we don’t condone fraudulent claiming of expenses from a few isolated individuals, but I don’t feel it fair to reiterate that in a finger-pointing way at a time of mindless violence, theft and vandalism we have seen in our cities. While you do not set out to do so, it would be ignorant to not appreciate that many will use your words as vindication for their actions. ~£500 million in destruction and disruption to homes, businesses and policing is nothing to do with politicians expenses. Plus, I’ve done lots of things I wasn’t proud of as a child but that doesnt mean I would have set alight to a high street store, steal high-value goods or ruin peoples livelihoods.
You will disagree with me, and so will others, but as a small businessman living in the Birmingham area I don’t think this is constructive at all. I know the manager of the Orange Shop that was pillaged, and also a local police sergeant who has been on the front lines in full riot gear probably getting heavy objects thrown at him. Do you think they are worrying about the politicians expenses right now? – Anon
August 10, 2011 at 7:56 pm
SW/AWW
I don’t think the riots and looting are justified. I personally wouldn’t offer any defense of this horrible, stupid destruction.
But I do think we need to consider *everything* that has led us to where we are, to avoid ending up here again. I believe the way to prevent mindless negative actions is to be mindful at all times.
Take care and stay safe.
August 11, 2011 at 7:25 am
Nathaniel Tapley
Hi Anon,
I appreciate your concerns, and I’m sorry you think that people might take what I said as a justification for their actions. It is certainly not intended as such.
Quite the opposite, I don’t think there is an excuse for appropriating or destroying the property of others. That’s why I object to it in our politicians (who, let’s not forget indulged in such youthful hijinks as burning down two buildings containing some of Germany’s most valuable botanical exhibits: http://istyosty.com/tmp/cache/1763b254f26f6159dabef80c31932202f80afa95.html).
I honestly don’t think we can demand better behaviour from out young people than we do from our leaders. Or, rather, we can and we should, but I think we are unlikely to be successful.
August 11, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Seth Jeffery
I’m also very surprised if the author believes that the young people of England actually thought to themselves, “Oh well if Jeremy Hunt can fob off £22k on his homes I can certainly nick me a plasma TV from the local Currys”. No kid needs that kind of justification, the greed problem is already there inside them; it was taught from a young age, and not just by their parents but by their entire world.
From the banker who gives himself insane bonuses, to the worker claiming illegal benefits; from the person who will do anything to get to the top of his corporate ladder, to the person who finds a lost wallet and keeps what’s inside instead of handing it in. There is a simple disconnection from goodness that is in every single corner of our society. It is not reserved for the bigwigs and politicians, nor for the tearaway youths on the street.
We can spend all day writing clever blogs, pointing fingers and passing the buck, but this will never be fixed until someone says, “Actually, we ALL need to change.”
August 10, 2011 at 7:33 pm
James Hunt
Nathaniel, what is your contribution to society? Just what I thought…nothing
August 10, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
Society? Oh, so there is such a thing now.
August 10, 2011 at 8:13 pm
markjeremy
Well James, Nathaniel managed about twenty paragraphs of fact filled prose. You managed just two sentences, and missed some basic punctuation. So, I would ask, what is YOUR contribution to ‘society’?
August 10, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Grababrush
Does his inability to “spull” or punctuate very well bar him from leaving a a comment?
Free speech…
Oppression…
Careful not to do yourself a mischief falling off you high horse.
August 10, 2011 at 7:51 pm
Robert F. Galgano
See also:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/10/1005297/-David-Cameron-takes-a-strong-stand-against-Britains-moral-and-ethical-corruption-?via=siderec
August 10, 2011 at 7:55 pm
ScissorKickPlatypus (@PunkRockKick)
Good work, I`ll pass it on..
August 10, 2011 at 7:59 pm
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August 10, 2011 at 8:00 pm
John Rutherford
Morality
The banks ruined the economy and their functionaries walked away enriched by their self awarded, unearned bonuses.With no sign of any sort of holding to account.
MPs lived a culture of opportunistic, self awarded ‘expenses’ scams.
Press barons and their lackeys traded on the illegal exploitation the weak and the vulnerable.
The police in spite of copious evidence failed to investigate this latter until the public outrage forced their and the politician’s hands
Now we have wholesale looting and destruction by another segment of society.
Where do we begin to restore any sense of morality or respect for the general good.
August 13, 2011 at 5:50 am
nadia
I think we’d initially have to define what “morality” means, entails, and whose version of “morality” is accepted and perpetuated, and what happens when one version of “morality” crosses another.
One man’s … is another man’s …. (fill in the blanks)
August 10, 2011 at 8:02 pm
M
To this brilliantly written article, I would like to add a couple of points: how no one, not even the public, gets shocked at the robbery that has happened in the last 2 years when our tax money bailed out the criminals that created this crisis (the banks and multinational corporations that supported them), as a matter of fact I recall the CEO of Barclays stating it was about time the banks stopped apologizing for what happened and got on with their business, ie, continue robbing us!
Rioting and criminal activity is no solution, but no one wants to understand why we have such type of youth in our societies across Europe, such youth whose parents can not be home because they are either working or looking desperately for jobs that are not there because of … ah yes the same ones who created the crisis, the wars, and therefore ate all the budget.
It is OK for a banker to own 3 ferraris as a present for robbing us, it is OK for big companies to advertise their expensive products made in countries where human rights are abused and make billions of profit, but it’s totally not OK for a 15 year old to want a pair of nike, which he has dreamt of thanks to the consumerist society he lives in!
August 11, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Za
Thank you!! My sentiments exactly. I think it is not just about trying to explain what caused these riots but also why most people are so much more passionate and aggressive about them than they were about the banks or various political scandals.. After all, the damage that the latter caused was a lot greater! but it’s simply not as obvious… And a ‘criminal’ in a suit is not as scary as one in a hoody.
August 10, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Marco Rockheavyloud
An amazing piece of clever sarcasm that speaks tons for how easy it is to point a finger at thugs and villains who plunder and steal, neglecting how politicians and ruthless market investors have been ransacking one nation after the other, their own nations (if they were to be, one day, people with a motherland) and citizens, the later then called upon to pay for the abuse with their own means of living.
Here in Portugal, it’s too easy to see only minorities and “social state” leeches; the media allow for it. Yet, even while despising this behavior, the pillage of a nation by brim and stone, isn’t more serious than its destruction by edits, laws, suit & tie investors, or rating agencies.
It’s only noisier.
There are no good examples from above, and there should be, lest we see these fires ignite the flames of prejudice and extreme-right demagogy.
Best wishes to the people of the United Kingdom. Good luck.
August 10, 2011 at 8:15 pm
beirutbeats
This was bang on the money. Apart from the little bit about the police failing the people, which I think is unfair given that they had, and have, a hell of a job to do. Wouldn’t fancy being in their SWAT boots right now.
It also made me consider that I get angry when I see citizens destroying our society yet am totally numb to the ruling class doing the same thing.
I think that the raw outrage at scandals like MP expenses, Murdoch getting served one, Police corruption etc lead to a hyperbole that ironically allows them to wriggle out of their responsibility once the anger has died down.
This kind of calm and sober destruction of their credibility should be deployed more often.
August 10, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Nathaniel Tapthatass
I really like your half face picture Nathaniel, I am bulimic and it helps me be sick every morning. Thank you.
August 10, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
You’re welcome. May I suggest buying a DVD, so that you can just pop it on, and won’t have to visit this site to get what you need to purge yourself of the stuff you are full of?
August 10, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Nathaniel Tapthatass
maybe you should make an effort to purge yourself of the stuff you are full of…
August 10, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Phil Jonesy
I have read your article and comments and as a result and in support of your unique logic I will now write a stiff letter of complaint to the American Military, and the scientists/students of MIT for inventing the internet. I then intend a similar rebuke for Tim Berners-Lee for inventing the world wide web as according to you I can hold them responsible for for being exposed to your utter drivel.
August 10, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Scott Bartle
This was my thoughts exactly. At least the rioters were honest in their deception and their theft….
Who are they meant to look to for role models? The MET? the Government?
Its about time the government was actually representative of the people that it purports to serve.
August 10, 2011 at 8:23 pm
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August 10, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Liz
gosh it will be a return to physical corporal punishment to sort out the kids next, who needs jobs anyhow? I really enjoyed your wit and intelligence in this post as did many others, thanks.
August 10, 2011 at 8:27 pm
mariamuir
Does that give the police the right to lie claiming Mark Duggan fired the first shot which has been proven to be a lie? The police are very trigger happy. Maybe if the police started putting away the real criminals of this country they would have more respect.
August 11, 2011 at 1:46 pm
tim wood
They haven’t made such a claim dearie.
August 10, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Arthur Conley
Congratulations. You must be very pleased that your endless whoring yourself on Twitter has finally elicited a response.
It must have been quite soul-destroying, bellowing your piss-weak satire to an indifferent audience, month after month.
August 10, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
Not as soul-destroying, I would imagine, as having to hold onto that witticism for months. But thanks for caring.
August 10, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Arthur Conley
A comeback within five minutes, eh? That’s much more of a rapid response than the Met seem to be able to pull off.
Speaking of ‘pulling off’, I assume that’s what you’re doing with the hand that isn’t frantically pushing the ‘refresh’ button on your browser. Feels great to be acknowledged at last, doesn’t it?
August 10, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
I can’t begin to tell you. You’ll love it when it happens, and *keep believing*. It will happen. For someone with your obvious charm, how can it not?
August 10, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Melissa Lovely
oh just shut up Nathaniel.
August 10, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Rob Watts (@robwatts)
I loved this. Thanks for writing it.
August 10, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Daniel Lewis (@DanTheFox)
From Wikipedia on the BC: “Andrew Gimson, biographer of Boris Johnson, reported about the Bullingdon Club in the 1980s: “I don’t think an evening would have ended without a restaurant being trashed and being paid for in full, very often in cash. […] A night in the cells would be regarded as being par for a Buller man and so would debagging anyone who really attracted the irritation of the Buller men.”
Just wondering chaps, is this the correct way one goes about “debagging” someone?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024001/UK-riots-2011-London-Birmingham-people-forced-strip-naked-street.html
August 10, 2011 at 8:44 pm
rob
so the fact that Cameron is not squeeaky clean somehow makes it ok for chavs to destroy hard working people’s livelihoods and homes?
Hard working and community spirited people who also work for charitable ends and whose taxes pay for the benefits,hospitals,schools,roads,doctors,libraries,subsidised housing,even tv and car etc of the very people who wrecked their businesses?
August 10, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Cyriaque
Expenses are not the exact problems, the differences in the society and the immense possibilities for rich people and the very little future the people who were in the streets have. I am not for looting and burning down people’s livelihood, but as the last post said, there was honesty in their action A lot more than any polititian joined together.
Unfortunatelly the message given by the governement after the riots, is one of hiding behind the usual curtain of law and order. I wish they could address the probem face to face, I don’t see David Cameron going down in the street to speak to the people who did this and ask them what the problem is, listen and ACT!!!
Well done to the communities who got together to save their houses, shops and cars!
Community is not dead, Thatcher you lost a point there!
August 10, 2011 at 8:47 pm
con-demmed
Thanks Nathaniel. I’ve also enjoyed this clip of Nick Clegg, before the election, predicting a riot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YItK1izQIwo&feature=share
August 10, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Chris
I agree. The government should come out of this looking very bad, but the probably wont.
This is a call to arms for young people: in the next election, remember this, remember all the shocking things politicians get away with and what they have taken away from you. Remember all of this and do not vote for conservatives.
August 10, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Dr. Howard Bolovia
This is a really useful and purposeful bit of writing. I love how good it all is, i mean it really is good, the words there, put together to make sentences that make sense, It’s just so bloody good. I especially love the way that you chose to use words instead of dribbling on a piece of paper. It really is very good.
August 10, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Al
Before I get going, this isn’t a defence of Cameron, or a lazy condemnation of rioters as thugs, or a debate about the politics of the riots. There’s plenty of that elsewhere.
But. You’ve sort of got a point – notwithstanding that the impact on local businesses, homes and people of riots isn’t really comparable to the tiny fraction of 1p that Kaufman’s dodgy telly cost the population per head – until you leap from those MPs implicated in the expenses scandal to *alll 650* MPs, 220 of whom weren’t even in Parliament when the scandal took place, prior to the instigation of the IPSA system. It’s not just one, or two MPs who work hard in their constituencies and with the public. It’s hundreds. And I can’t help but notice that you’ve acquired your litany of the evils of Parliament from our noble fourth estate, who seem to make it their business to rubbish the work of Parliament and undermine faith in democracy as a matter of course. Not by telling lies – well, not always – but by making the most noise about the worst behaviour of MPs, and carefully creating the impression that all of the them are as bad as each other. That is, terrible.
Our democracy is flawed in many, many ways – but to state “our politicians are for sale” is just ridiculous. You can’t simply buy your way into a parliamentary seat. In terms of actual graft, actual corruption – that is, being paid to vote in a particular way, or to lobby for a particular business or individual – Britain is one of the least corrupt countries on Earth. You cite Blunkett’s resignations – one of which involved getting a visa for his nanny. It’s wrong, but it’s not exactly Watergate is it? And Hoon and Byers attempts to tart themselves, by their very feeble and lame nature underline the fact that corruption in Parliament – really meaningful corruption – is pretty low level.
Now, there are real problems with large companies having undue influence over Governments. But Governments aren’t Parliament. And you’re explicitly talking about all 650 current MPs, at least 540 of whom hold no Government position.
This statment: “650 people who have shown themselves to be venal pygmies, moral dwarves at every opportunity over the last 20 years,” is simply untrue. Totally untrue. And more than a little meaningless. Were MPs before 1990 all moral paragons and inspirational figures? This posting seems little more than a distillation of the media’s populist idea of Parliament being full of thieves, liars and crooks because their readers *already think it is*.
It’s easy to think that way. It’s tempting, and almost satisfying. It also serves a lot of vested interests for people to think that way. If democracy doesn’t work, if Parliament is worthless, if MPs are all greedy crooks, what’s the point of engaging with it? And so all the companies, and organisations and bodies that behave in ways we hate can just get on with it.
It’s not in anyone’s interest to portray Parliament in this way. Particularly not now.
August 10, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Melissa Lovely
what a stupid thing to say
August 10, 2011 at 9:03 pm
barrie singleton
Too many comments to read – hope not a repeat.
Any chance this could be printed as a hand-bill or copyright waived for DIY?
August 11, 2011 at 7:36 am
Nathaniel Tapley
Absolutely. Feel free to reproduce in any attributed, non-commercial way.
August 10, 2011 at 9:18 pm
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August 10, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Mark Moncrief
Poorly constructed collection of scandals tenuously linked to the PM. You might as well have excluded all mention of non-Tory MPs to give it that full swing.