Dear Mr & Mrs Cameron,
Why did you never take the time to teach your child basic morality?
As a young man, he was in a gang that regularly smashed up private property. We know that you were absent parents who left your child to be brought up by a school rather than taking responsibility for his behaviour yourselves. The fact that he became a delinquent with no sense of respect for the property of others can only reflect that fact that you are terrible, lazy human beings who failed even in teaching your children the difference between right and wrong. I can only assume that his contempt for the small business owners of Oxford is indicative of his wider values.
Even worse, your neglect led him to fall in with a bad crowd. He became best friends with a young man who set fire to buildings for fun. And others:
There’s Michael Gove, whose wet-lipped rage was palpable on Newsnight last night. This is the Michael Gove who confused one of his houses with another of his houses in order to avail himself of £7,000 of the taxpayers’ money to which he was not entitled (or £13,000, depending on which house you think was which).
Or Hazel Blears, who was interviewed in full bristling peahen mode for almost all of last night. She once forgot which house she lived in, and benefited to the tune of £18,000. At the time she said it would take her reputation years to recover. Unfortunately not.
But, of course, this is different. This is just understandable confusion over the rules of how many houses you are meant to have as an MP. This doesn’t show the naked greed of people stealing plasma tellies.
Unless you’re Gerald Kaufman, who broke parliamentary rules to get £8,000 worth of 40-inch, flat screen, Bang and Olufsen TV out of the taxpayer.
Or Ed Vaizey, who got £2,000 in antique furniture ‘delivered to the wrong address’. Which is fortunate, because had that been the address they were intended for, that would have been fraud.
Or Jeremy Hunt, who broke the rules to the tune of almost £20,000 on one property and £2,000 on another. But it’s all right, because he agreed to pay half of the money back. Not the full amount, it would be absurd to expect him to pay back the entire sum that he took and to which he was not entitled. No, we’ll settle for half. And, as in any other field, what might have been considered embezzlement of £22,000 is overlooked. We know, after all, that David Cameron likes to give people second chances.
Fortunately, we have the Met Police to look after us. We’ll ignore the fact that two of its senior officers have had to resign in the last six weeks amid suspicions of widespread corruption within the force.
We’ll ignore Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met.
Of course, Mr and Mrs Cameron, your son is right. There are parts of society that are not just broken, they are sick. Riddled with disease from top to bottom.
Just let me be clear about this (It’s a good phrase, Mr and Mrs Cameron, and one I looted from every sentence your son utters, just as he looted it from Tony Blair), I am not justifying or minimising in any way what has been done by the looters over the last few nights. What I am doing, however, is expressing shock and dismay that your son and his friends feel themselves in any way to be guardians of morality in this country.
Can they really, as 650 people who have shown themselves to be venal pygmies, moral dwarves at every opportunity over the last 20 years, bleat at others about ‘criminality’. Those who decided that when they broke the rules (the rules they themselves set) they, on the whole wouldn’t face the consequences of their actions?
Are they really surprised that this country’s culture is swamped in greed, in the acquisition of material things, in a lust for consumer goods of the most base kind? Really?
Let’s have a think back: cash-for-questions; Bernie Ecclestone; cash-for-access; Mandelson’s mortgage; the Hinduja passports; Blunkett’s alleged insider trading (and, by the way, when someone has had to resign in disgrace twice can we stop having them on television as a commentator, please?); the meetings on the yachts of oligarchs; the drafting of the Digital Economy Act with Lucian Grange; Byers’, Hewitt’s & Hoon’s desperation to prostitute themselves and their positions; the fact that Andrew Lansley (in charge of NHS reforms) has a wife who gives lobbying advice to the very companies hoping to benefit from the NHS reforms. And that list didn’t even take me very long to think of.
Our politicians are for sale and they do not care who knows it.
Oh yes, and then there’s the expenses thing. Widescale abuse of the very systems they designed, almost all of them grasping what they could while they remained MPs, to build their nest egg for the future at the public’s expense. They even now whine on Twitter about having their expenses claims for getting back to Parliament while much of the country is on fire subject to any examination. True public servants.
The last few days have revealed some truths, and some heartening truths. The fact that the #riotcleanup crews had organised themselves before David Cameron even made time for a public statement is heartening. The fact that local communities came together to keep their neighbourhoods safe when the police failed is heartening. The fact that there were peace vigils being organised (even as the police tried to dissuade people) is heartening.
There is hope for this country. But we must stop looking upwards for it. The politicians are the ones leading the charge into the gutter.
David Cameron was entirely right when he said: “It is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society, people allowed to think that the world owes them something, that their rights outweigh their responsibilities, and that their actions do not have consequences.”
He was more right than he knew.
And I blame the parents.
*** EDIT – I have added a hyperlink to a Bullingdon article after a request for context from an American reader. I have also added the sentence about Nick Clegg as this was brought to my attention in the comments and it fits in too nicely to leave out. That’s the way I edited it at 18:38 on the 11th August, 2011 ***
***EDIT 2 – I’ve split the comments into pages as, although there were some great discussions going on in them, there were more than 500 and the page was taking *forever* to load for some people, and not loading at all for others. I would encourage everyone to have a poke around in the comments, as many questions and points have been covered, and there are some great comments. Apologies if it looks like your comment has disappeared. ***
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August 11, 2011 at 7:55 am
Joe Sullivan
This is crowd pleasing crap. Addressing it to Cameron’s parents is facile and pointless.
August 11, 2011 at 7:55 am
Rich Griese
I’m actually amazed at how many of the commenters don’t have websites of their own. Do people just troll the internets adding random anon comments? Don’t people have their own thoughts any more? It’s like non of the commenters have had ideas and/or done writing of their own. That’s very strange.
Cheers!
August 11, 2011 at 8:06 am
mary
Brilliant Mr Tapley. I saw it on Medialens and posted the link on Craig Murray where it has been very well received. I especially liked your phrase about ‘not looking upwards’ for the solution to the terrible state we are in. Keep going.
August 11, 2011 at 8:15 am
Nathaniel Tapley
Thank you, Mary.
August 11, 2011 at 8:16 am
Opening
Im sorry Mr. Nathaniel, but the expenses scandal is not the issue right now and by brining it up you appear to try and divert attention from the criminal behaviour displayed by certain segments of society. Politicians are rotten, I agree but this is not the time to be criticing them about their past mistakes. When responsible people like you who have a following point your guns at the politicians rather than the individuals who perpetuated some of the worst violence in Londons history you give these people the incorrect impression that its okay for them to indulge in this kind of behaviour because that man Nathaniel said the politicains do it too.
You have to stop being an apologist for the utterly rotten and illbought up members of society who perpetuated this violence. Say these people deserve punishment for what they have done wihtout any qualifications. Otherwise, they will only be able to find justification for their actions in the words of people like you.
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August 11, 2011 at 8:18 am
shaun
he honestly makes me sick, and now we have to put up with worrying our houses and cities are gona be set alight because of this UTTER prick, sorry i dont usually use langauge like that but thats how much this guy deserves, and more, him and his friends rob us blind while we suffer the consequences of our government throwing our hard earned money away to other countries and not seeing anything for it, just making lives easier for themselves, not the country.
i feel the only ways out now are moving abroad or killing myself, as alot of people are getting to that point now. i hate you cameron, i truely truely do, this country is about to hit rock bottom and its all your fault, not “the past governments fault” as your government keeps on repeating like it helps.
August 11, 2011 at 8:21 am
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August 11, 2011 at 8:44 am
joe
We must outgrow our perverse need to be ruled by an upper class, that simply promises us wealth and opportunity. These people serve their own ends and the ends of their small group – not the wider group. We must throw them out and vote for a government that genuinely delivers a fairer society. This could be measured and audited using a range of not too complex statistical benchmarks.
All people are essentially the same and want the same things. Therefore the most useful thing any government can deliver to society is a fair chance for all.
August 11, 2011 at 8:46 am
Red_Dog (@Red_Dog_UK)
Whilst I can see some people’s points regarding the probity of bringing up MP’s expenses now, I think Nathaniel hits the nail on the head in terms of addressing the elephant in the room (please excuse my mixed metaphors) – as Billy Bragg said on Twitter a little earlier, “After years of celebrating excessive behaviour and greed, should we really be surprised at the toxic results of mixing the two?” (permalink http://twitter.com/#!/billybragg/status/101425485409566721)
August 11, 2011 at 1:15 pm
mary
Have you heard what is coming out of their fat faces in the emergency debate? Cameron agreeing with the miniature fraudster Hazel Blears for instance on draconian sentencing. Hypocrites and liars and fraudsters. Boot them all out.
August 11, 2011 at 8:50 am
randysandy
Is the Cash for Peerages 2 for the price 1 offer no longer available?
August 11, 2011 at 9:00 am
David
No right to reply on an earlier comment back to me but, for what it’s worth, I accept and agree with what you said.
That’s twice you’ve owned me, too, but I’m big enough to enjoy a bit of banter.
Thanks for your views and personal attention to all the comments here.
It’s rare that an author gets so involved with the debates.
August 11, 2011 at 9:04 am
Nathaniel Tapley
Hi David,
Thanks for your comments, and for joining in the discussion. I’m going to try to answer most people, but the comments are coming thick and fast and I’m having trouble keeping up and doing my work.
Thanks again!
August 11, 2011 at 9:01 am
Michael Marnewick
A BBM message encouraging further rioting read something along the lines of: “Meet at Oxford Circus for havoc, mayhem and free stuff”. That encapsulates much of the issue here, that it isn’t so much about fighting for rights but for free stuff. A social order has been created in the UK that rewards the indigent, lazy and non-productive, reproductive, single-parent shameless families. No father figure, an educational system that spares the rod and spoils the child – and oh, how they have become spoiled and spoilt – and a complete breakdown of discipline.
Add a dole system that encourages young people to avoid work like the plague and you have all the makings of a society on the brink of failure. And when the English decide to sit on their asses and rape the public system, the immigrants are only too happy to work. And then racial hatred and ethnocentrism where foreigners are seen to be “stealing our jobs” leads to further discord.
The solution? Stop rewarding pregnant teenagers. Stop enouraging a non-productive society. And re-introduce quality discipline. The police with their batons and shields are no match for thugs with baseball bats and molotov cocktails.
Time to take control of your country again.
August 11, 2011 at 9:12 am
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August 11, 2011 at 9:16 am
Martin
Brilliant article and bang on the money!
Bank heist to the tune of 850 billion? Soon forgotten, the rules dont get changed.
A smashed window and a pair of trainers? Calls for capital punishment and you can bet this will result in new laws to curtail the right to asembly and protest.
August 11, 2011 at 9:19 am
Diana Raby
Nathaniel’s piece is brilliant! How in the 21st century we allow this country to be run by a bunch of Old Etonians and their sycophantic hangers-on is beyond comprehension. And when they and the pathetic bunch who run the “Opposition” get on their high moral horses and start lecturing deprived working people on how to behave, it’s just nauseating.
August 11, 2011 at 9:19 am
cymraeg147
Your piece sums up the hypocracy of Cameron perfectly. Well done.
August 11, 2011 at 9:21 am
London
Saddened that no-one recognises the distinction between bending the rules on expenses (which I agree is inexcusable) and endangering the lives of innocent people by setting fire to their property and mugging them in the street. Far from being clever and intelligent this article, although mildly amusing, is for the most part obvious, one-sided and entirely unconvincing.
Whatever your political views are, to blame the riots on Cameron personally (as many of the comments above have done), is entirely absurd. The youths who have been causing this havoc were not, two years ago, respectable citizens who were suddenly transformed into thugs when the Conservatives/Liberal Democrats came to power. Whatever the ’causes’ (certainly not justifications) of these riots are, they are certainly not short term, and the class divide in Britain has not suddenly sprung up in the past 18 months.
In a nutshell, this article blames all of Britain’s problems on the Met Police and MPs, while simultaneously justifying the behaviour of the thugs who set fire to our businesses and drive through crowds of people protecting their homes. Something is wrong here, surely?
August 11, 2011 at 9:25 am
Nathaniel Tapley
Your moral relativism (whereby one young arsonist commits youthful pranks: http://istyosty.com/tmp/cache/1763b254f26f6159dabef80c31932202f80afa95.html and others are thugs) fuels the entitlement culture in which politicians do not have to bear responsibility for their actions.
In a nutshell, the article does neither of the things you claim. It does not blame Britain’s problems on the Met and MPs, it blames them (as does the current government) on the parents. It doesn’t justify theft, it just refuses to accept a situation that slyly nods and winks at the theft of some, whilst posturing as outraged by the thefts of others.
August 11, 2011 at 9:47 am
London
I apologise, your article does not ‘blame’ Britain’s problems on the Met and MPs, it merely depicts them (all of them) as being money grabbing, morally deficient and corrupt human beings who should not, under any circumstances, be able to criticise the bad behaviour of others (I refer to your ‘shock and dismay that your son and his friends feel themselves in any way to be guardians of morality in this country’ – perhaps rather than criticising the rioters he should have joined in? Perhaps he could have helped mug that poor boy with the broken nose?).
Simultaneously, you say relatively little about the thugs themselves, except mentioning in a side-note that you aren’t justifying their behaviour, just to cover your back in case someone pointed out that, in fact, you are.
Simply because you do not make these points explicitly in your article, does not mean that the implication is not there.
August 11, 2011 at 9:51 am
London
Oh, and my neighbour (a police officer) has been out for the past three nights trying desperately to protect the homes, lives, and businesses of others (as is his job). I will make sure he knows that, basically, he did a pretty crap job. Although he probably won’t care anyway because he’s probably corrupt like everyone else in the police force, right?
August 11, 2011 at 9:54 am
London
And before you take one word to negate my whole point – not ‘everyone’ in the police force, but, by the sounds of it, a ‘majority’
August 11, 2011 at 10:10 am
London
Sorry to reply again, I just looked at your link. I’m slightly confused, when did I mention Nick Clegg? Or say that he wasn’t deserving of his community service? If he did something wrong, he should be punished. Similarly many youths have done something wrong over the past three nights and should also be duly punished. My ‘moral relativism’ was referring to the difference between driving through a crowd of people and killing three, and claiming (wrongly) for additional costs on an expense form.
August 11, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
“Simply because you do not make these points explicitly in your article [or comment], does not mean that the implication is not there.”
August 11, 2011 at 9:35 am
London
I also find it utterly ridiculous that people keep on going on about how Cameron was an ‘Old Etonian’ and ‘has never had to do an interview in his life’. So?! He made the most of his opportunities, and that is certainly not something we should discourage. Yes, we should work to ensure that others have the same opportunities, but we should not look down on those who have them. I know several people who went to state schools in relatively deprived areas, but made the most of what they had and are now currently studying at Oxbridge, with good career prospects in the future. I am also aware that many of the rioters had the opportunity to benefit from our education system in this country, and chose not to take it. I agree wholeheartedly that we should work to ensure that the best opportunities in Britain are not reserved for a small and lucky minority, but we should work to bring those at the bottom up, rather than to drag those at the top down.
August 11, 2011 at 9:22 am
jayacg
thanks Nathanial for saying so eloquently what many of us are feeling. You can’t rule a country like this without having the moral high-ground – or at least the illusion of it, firmly beneath your feet. Was all this happening because good men and women did nothing or that they simply weren’t looking? Observing the country’s morals crashing down around our ears doesn’t make us better people. Some positive action must be taken, or we’re still part of the problem. The fact is, this corruption has been going on for years in the dark – and the lights are finally on (at least for now). It’s not a Labour thing or a Conservative – sadly it’s an “ugly side of human nature” thing…
August 11, 2011 at 9:23 am
James Riley
Nathaniel, have you never fudged a tax return or not paid for something that you should have, or is it just the price we are haggling over?
August 11, 2011 at 9:24 am
jimmyt80
I am confused. Confused as to why so many people point out, when confronted with an argument like this, that ‘these hooligans are ignorant of MPs expenses’ and other assorted theft and examples of moral torpor. Do you not realise that the kernel of the argument is that what we are witnessing from these despicable acts is merely the latest manifestation of a broader sense of vacuity in our ‘society’?
These people are fuelled by greed; MPs fiddling the system were fuelled by greed; Bankers manipulating things to their own ends and using their sizable economic weight to leverage favourable policy changes were fuelled by greed. This is what My Tapley is driving at – stop willfully misreading and misrepresenting this argument and lets start to come together to find some solutions shall we – as the man says at the end, this needs to be bottom-up.
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August 11, 2011 at 9:36 am
Atticus
Do any of you really believe this blog or your commets are helping to improve the situation?
August 11, 2011 at 9:37 am
UnhappywithDave
I think this article highlights a point that Despot Dave should be careful to curb his usual dismissive arrogance when confronted with the opinion of others. In combination with Michael Gove, I cannot see temperance coming as a result of the kind of rhetoric we are hearing, only further entrenchment. This is a government without mandate and many are not happy with what we have. That we have a government without mandate is a clear predication of the events that are now unfolding. People are not happy. The expression in this case is clearly wrong in approach, but nevertheless should be a powerful warning shot. Dave, across the classes people are very unhappy and I suspect you lack the ability, experience and knowledge to fix this.
August 11, 2011 at 9:39 am
Rich Griese
Your certainly getting an amazing amount of comments. I don’t think I have ever come across a more popular blog.
Cheers!
August 11, 2011 at 9:40 am
Rich Griese
Although I have to say that polldaddy.com plugin makes your site incredibly badly responsive. You might want to think about getting rid of that.
Cheers!
August 11, 2011 at 9:42 am
James Riley
we are winessing these riots purely because the current generation have never been held to task for any wrong doings, it will no doubt be another 30 years before we see the like again.
August 11, 2011 at 9:53 am
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August 11, 2011 at 9:53 am
nat'76
Hey Nathaniel!….just want to say your views and intelligence shine brightly through the mass of bullshit us Brits are currently being fed on a daily basis. I personally find it comforting to know that a fellow UK resident can clearly, eloquently and with lashings of humor, asses the situation . I’m also very impressed you’ve taken the time to get involved and interact with your comentators….I vote that we make you an MP because I’d vote for you, after reading 60% of this thread, I have no doubt that you’d make a great MP. Good luck with your endeavors x.
August 11, 2011 at 9:58 am
BF, Leeds
This is incredible.
Please could you place this on a site where those in agreement could actually add their names to the bottom? The public momentum behind this could be phenomenal! I hope you realise it’s doing a massive round on social media sites already.
August 11, 2011 at 10:04 am
William
Perhaps you should also write to Mr Blair’s father (and Mr Brown’s parents were they still alive) to ask a similar question. Your article, though mildly amusing, fails to address the simple fact that 13 years of the previous government has done far more damage to this country than 15 months of the coalition, yet it is the coalition who are having to put right the mistakes of the past and take the stick for doing so.
August 11, 2011 at 11:23 am
Barry
Got to laugh because the is always the argument of the new boys who moan and cry and try to foist all the blame on the previous incumbent. I would like to remind you old boy that a certain M Thatcher pulled the old country apart many years before Tony et al were born.
Cameron will have to take a long hard look at his policies now and then look around the rest of Europe which is mainly governed by the right and see how it is all falling apart. So much for capitalism. Long live social democracy.
August 11, 2011 at 10:06 am
Ry
Damn, you guys are amazingly shallow-minded… what high horse are you riding on where you think it’s alright to write such a letter to someone’s, surely very elderly, parents? Freaking disgraceful, man. Find solutions to your misdirected emotions that don’t involve spouting off to and berating some elderly individuals about the parenting tactics employed in raising their own child, 40 years after the fact.
Each child has their own mind and ability to understand and act in the world. Why not leave the mother out of it and instead take issue with the person in question?
How many great parents have produced nasty individuals? I’m sure you’re parents were/are alright folks, yet you still turned out a complete deuche. How is that?
Man up, man. Stop bitching like a little bitch and maybe write something that doesn’t demonstrate your limited capacity for reason and tendency towards fanatic sensationalism.
August 11, 2011 at 10:23 am
nat'76
“stop bitching like a little bitch”…how many other types of bitching have you identified Ry?….
August 11, 2011 at 4:01 pm
nat'66
bitching like a big bitch? bitching like a medium-sized bitch?
August 11, 2011 at 11:27 am
Barry
A. I presume you are a yank
B. Are you serious?
August 11, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Ry
you could bitch like a little pussy, like a child or (apparently) even like a Brit, if you’d like. i am aware that the people who will read your blog are likely like-minded individuals, so i don’t expect love to be flowing freely from this place, but a bit of rationale is not too much to ask, i think.
quit blaming other people for your problems. dislike what i say as much as you wish, but you know as much as i do that your bitching is not doing anything to help your sorrowful condition.
i am a yank, and if u think i havent seen race wars or stupid politicians, you can suck a fart out of the nearest ass you find. you think blaming other people for your problems and then replacing them with some other asshole is gonna help? soon it will be you who is the shit-brained leader deluding the minds of the public (much like the author of this blog, now).
all i said was that you should focus your disdain on the object of your disdain and refrain from directing it at elderly parents for what they may have done 40 years when they may or may not have known about the world what they know now. these are individual life choices coming from individuals. parents have an influence, but they are not the end-all. bring some rationality into the debate rather than expound hate-filled speech founded in sensationalism.
August 11, 2011 at 10:08 am
Atticus
I believe the marketers call the use of a public issue for self promotion “issues hijacking”. Congraulations Mr Tapley on a masterstroke of issues hijacking! Now we look forward to some responsible activity towards resolving the situation.
August 11, 2011 at 10:12 am
EJ Ruane
James Riley, you ask Nathaniel if he has ever ‘fudged’ a tax return or not paid for something he should have. I don’t know, maybe he has, maybe he hasn’t. But let’s say he HAS. Let’s say he ALWAYS fiddles his..erm…stuff you’re not supposed to fiddle. So what? We didn’t elect HIM. And it wasn’t HIM that smiled, kissed babies and told us we could trust him. Seriously, get a grip and think of possible weakness in your ‘arguments’ before banging them off. Poltroon!
August 11, 2011 at 10:15 am
Luke Watkin (@LukeWatkin)
Absolutely superb
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martin
Absolutely superb article.
Isn’t it sad that it’s the kids that see through the hyporisy and not the adults.
August 11, 2011 at 10:27 am
neutral
Whilst I think that all the political parties are twisted and incompetant, let’s not use this as an obvious excuse to sidestep the issue and simply criticise Mr Cameron and his party, no matter how much they deserve it – that is a totally different subject. The subject of the recent riots is what is relevent and let us not forget that it is largely down to the previous governement’s steam-train promotion of human rights, political correctness and permissivness that we now have a generation of mindless, heartless, out-of-control gang-driven yobs oozing all over our streets. What is happening now is precisely what was said would happen in 90’s in response to all the diatribe about not ‘stifling’ the little darlings and letting them think for themselves. Whether or not Mr Cameron is being hypocritical is irrelevant and doesn’t change the fact that what he says is entirely accurate. THAT is the issue at hand. For those who refuse to see that, well look around you at the events of the last few days – it speaks for itself
August 11, 2011 at 11:36 am
nat'76
I don’t trust the previous/current or future (unless there’s a radical change?!) gvts…Why shld I listen to anything they have to say when they’ve proven themselves to be self-serving twats time and time again?!..I’m 35 but I expect there’s a few generations that feel this way….The past, present and future is all inter-linked, I don’t see why we shld forget their past incompetencies just because we’re in a crisis?!…they’re part of the problem that needs resolving.
August 11, 2011 at 10:31 am
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August 11, 2011 at 10:48 am
Andrew
Are you excusing the rioters because you have issues with the politicians? Naive I think…
August 11, 2011 at 10:48 am
James
I’m no fan of the tories, but this article is sickeningly self-righteous. Basically, you are saying that David Cameron has no right to lecture anyone because he may (or may not) have been involved in smashing some furniture, and some MPs are corrupt. Some of the ridiculous sweeping statements you make laden with hyperbole are not helpful to any kind of meaningful political debate. Are they supposed to be funny? Satire? A good example is calling his mother (what with his Dad being dead and all) “terrible, lazy human beings who failed even in teaching your children the difference between right and wrong” and Cameron himself “a delinquent with no sense of respect for the property of others”. These statements are so absurd and over the top that they make the rest of the article hard to take seriously. And I think trying to claim that Cameron regularly smashed up the property of others is a bit rich. Some Bullingdon club members surely did do this, but I don’t think there is any evidence that David Cameron did.
Obviously the expenses scandal and the other scandals you mention were all bad, but I don’t think rage against MPs is what motivated these rioters, who ultimately must take responsibility for their own actions. I wonder how many of them could name more than 1 or 2 member of the government?
August 11, 2011 at 11:59 am
Simpo
James – surely Nathaniel’s use of that language is the whole point – he is turning Cameron’s own “blame the parents” ideology on him.
August 11, 2011 at 10:48 am
Tunisia Solidarity Campaign
the letter is weak at the end and I don’t blame the parents either because doing so contradicts the arguments in this very letter
August 11, 2011 at 10:51 am
Tunisia Solidarity Campaign
I suggest better arguments
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/10/riots-reflect-society-run-greed-looting?CMP=twt_gu
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August 11, 2011 at 11:01 am
Machine Bypass (@MachineBypass)
+1 to Nathan for exposing the hypocrisy of those who try to turn this into a question of morals, criminality, parenting, etc.
+1 for a great conversation
+1 to the comments pointing out that civil servants and politicians are not the real rich. We have much bigger – and much more corrupt – fish to fry
-1 to the comments calling for further cuts in social spending and/or more spending on policing (e.g. this guy above – “The solution? Stop rewarding pregnant teenagers. Stop enouraging a non-productive society. And re-introduce quality discipline… ” – and e.g. Boris)
In case yous missed it, I’d totally recommend this interview with young people in Harringey, London (where the conflict began). It was filmed a week *before* the conflict. In the spending cuts preceding the conflict, 8 out of 13 Harringey youth centres were closed. Here’s an intelligent and peaceful response from the kids affected, before they lost their cool. Who listened?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/video/2011/jul/31/haringey-youth-club-closures-video
August 11, 2011 at 11:12 am
BlueNose2
Malicious drivel. Not at all constructive and personal attacks on CMD’s family are just cheap shots. All the political parties are in it for themselves. Has the author forgotten about Blair, Brown, Mandelson and Alistair Campbell already? As far as ‘Comedy meets writing’ I see nothing to substantiate either in this article!
August 11, 2011 at 11:12 am
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August 11, 2011 at 11:16 am
Barry
Wonderful piece and the sad thing is that this is going on the world over.
August 11, 2011 at 11:31 am
Phil Haslam
It’s funny isn’t how microcosm reflects macrocosm . . . some very fine comments here seem hell bent on personal deformation before they’ve either met or know who someone is. It’s an endemic of the internet and Cameron’s Big society that we judge so, it makes us feel better to pillage and namecall without real understanding and experience. I wholeheartedly not just agree with the arugument but would go one step further and add that just becuase your wealthy doesn’t mean you can get away with the crock without a fingure being raised. If you have nothing then what does it matter. There’s nothing to loose. Listen to the streets, they don’t give a shit if they’re caught. It reflects back up the chain to those responsible for running our little happy country. They do exactly the same but don’t even have the guts to smash a window to get it. There’s other means. Those who only accuse smashed windows are only doing so because in their own way their own lives are compromised and in fear of being found out. Like the author I’m not suggesting it’s right to smash windows. Far from it but it’s funny how I had to qualify my own statement because I already know that people have a hard time seeing that any vote in our system as it is just propogates the same ol thing. To become a politician or even a public servant you need a first class honours in deception, corruption, lies and how not to bring up your offspring. You can even do a post graduate in genocide and become one of the elite too. The combined military expenditure of all the worlds governments in 1987 were so large that all of the social programmes of the United Nations could be financed for 300 years. And your wondering why we can’t fix poverty. The ambience must be full of fear. Have a look inside yourself and then find out what you project out, thx for the article. It’s a breath of fresh air in an otherwise very toxic and misundersood Big heaving society.
August 11, 2011 at 11:36 am
A-ron-86
I thought this was a very effective article – it doesn’t need to be over analysed to be appreciated and I think it draws some very apt parallels without making any excuses.
I think that if all the facts had been explored in their minutiae it would have detracted from the power of the statement.
Good point, well made I’d say.
August 11, 2011 at 11:43 am
mr binary
I cannot agree more with the ‘majority’ of the ‘sensible’ comments that are being addressed in the article and then followed up.
Whilst I listen to the ‘jackboot’ responses being aired in Parliament – ohh here we go some more ‘public enquries’. One cannot help but shake ones head to see that they ‘still’ don’t get it and will ‘never’ get it, whilst they’re so institutionally ‘devolved’ from reality and ‘involved’ with their own vested interests. Whilst the corrusion continues to spread they & wider society do nothing to really ‘address’ the real issues of flagrant corruption from their bastions of righteousness, disregarding opinions of people, we allow wanton greed to be the winning endgame & then further reward this behaviour, institutionalised skullduggery is deemed to be ‘smart’, we allow the throwing of tokenistic carrots to ‘quell’ the unwashed masses whilst nothing changes & the ceterus paribus becomes further entrenched…and to top it off we will allow our ‘govt granted’ sealed and approved ‘rights’ to become monitored to snure that our ‘communities’ are safe and secure. Ohh dear ho hum it really is quite astounding & interesting times that we live in, I do wonder which cats are playing the fiddle and I do wonder which tune we’ll all be dancing too shortly.
Anyways, good article Nathaniel.