Dear Mr & Mrs Cameron,
Why did you never take the time to teach your child basic morality?
As a young man, he was in a gang that regularly smashed up private property. We know that you were absent parents who left your child to be brought up by a school rather than taking responsibility for his behaviour yourselves. The fact that he became a delinquent with no sense of respect for the property of others can only reflect that fact that you are terrible, lazy human beings who failed even in teaching your children the difference between right and wrong. I can only assume that his contempt for the small business owners of Oxford is indicative of his wider values.
Even worse, your neglect led him to fall in with a bad crowd. He became best friends with a young man who set fire to buildings for fun. And others:
There’s Michael Gove, whose wet-lipped rage was palpable on Newsnight last night. This is the Michael Gove who confused one of his houses with another of his houses in order to avail himself of £7,000 of the taxpayers’ money to which he was not entitled (or £13,000, depending on which house you think was which).
Or Hazel Blears, who was interviewed in full bristling peahen mode for almost all of last night. She once forgot which house she lived in, and benefited to the tune of £18,000. At the time she said it would take her reputation years to recover. Unfortunately not.
But, of course, this is different. This is just understandable confusion over the rules of how many houses you are meant to have as an MP. This doesn’t show the naked greed of people stealing plasma tellies.
Unless you’re Gerald Kaufman, who broke parliamentary rules to get £8,000 worth of 40-inch, flat screen, Bang and Olufsen TV out of the taxpayer.
Or Ed Vaizey, who got £2,000 in antique furniture ‘delivered to the wrong address’. Which is fortunate, because had that been the address they were intended for, that would have been fraud.
Or Jeremy Hunt, who broke the rules to the tune of almost £20,000 on one property and £2,000 on another. But it’s all right, because he agreed to pay half of the money back. Not the full amount, it would be absurd to expect him to pay back the entire sum that he took and to which he was not entitled. No, we’ll settle for half. And, as in any other field, what might have been considered embezzlement of £22,000 is overlooked. We know, after all, that David Cameron likes to give people second chances.
Fortunately, we have the Met Police to look after us. We’ll ignore the fact that two of its senior officers have had to resign in the last six weeks amid suspicions of widespread corruption within the force.
We’ll ignore Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met.
Of course, Mr and Mrs Cameron, your son is right. There are parts of society that are not just broken, they are sick. Riddled with disease from top to bottom.
Just let me be clear about this (It’s a good phrase, Mr and Mrs Cameron, and one I looted from every sentence your son utters, just as he looted it from Tony Blair), I am not justifying or minimising in any way what has been done by the looters over the last few nights. What I am doing, however, is expressing shock and dismay that your son and his friends feel themselves in any way to be guardians of morality in this country.
Can they really, as 650 people who have shown themselves to be venal pygmies, moral dwarves at every opportunity over the last 20 years, bleat at others about ‘criminality’. Those who decided that when they broke the rules (the rules they themselves set) they, on the whole wouldn’t face the consequences of their actions?
Are they really surprised that this country’s culture is swamped in greed, in the acquisition of material things, in a lust for consumer goods of the most base kind? Really?
Let’s have a think back: cash-for-questions; Bernie Ecclestone; cash-for-access; Mandelson’s mortgage; the Hinduja passports; Blunkett’s alleged insider trading (and, by the way, when someone has had to resign in disgrace twice can we stop having them on television as a commentator, please?); the meetings on the yachts of oligarchs; the drafting of the Digital Economy Act with Lucian Grange; Byers’, Hewitt’s & Hoon’s desperation to prostitute themselves and their positions; the fact that Andrew Lansley (in charge of NHS reforms) has a wife who gives lobbying advice to the very companies hoping to benefit from the NHS reforms. And that list didn’t even take me very long to think of.
Our politicians are for sale and they do not care who knows it.
Oh yes, and then there’s the expenses thing. Widescale abuse of the very systems they designed, almost all of them grasping what they could while they remained MPs, to build their nest egg for the future at the public’s expense. They even now whine on Twitter about having their expenses claims for getting back to Parliament while much of the country is on fire subject to any examination. True public servants.
The last few days have revealed some truths, and some heartening truths. The fact that the #riotcleanup crews had organised themselves before David Cameron even made time for a public statement is heartening. The fact that local communities came together to keep their neighbourhoods safe when the police failed is heartening. The fact that there were peace vigils being organised (even as the police tried to dissuade people) is heartening.
There is hope for this country. But we must stop looking upwards for it. The politicians are the ones leading the charge into the gutter.
David Cameron was entirely right when he said: “It is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society, people allowed to think that the world owes them something, that their rights outweigh their responsibilities, and that their actions do not have consequences.”
He was more right than he knew.
And I blame the parents.
*** EDIT – I have added a hyperlink to a Bullingdon article after a request for context from an American reader. I have also added the sentence about Nick Clegg as this was brought to my attention in the comments and it fits in too nicely to leave out. That’s the way I edited it at 18:38 on the 11th August, 2011 ***
***EDIT 2 – I’ve split the comments into pages as, although there were some great discussions going on in them, there were more than 500 and the page was taking *forever* to load for some people, and not loading at all for others. I would encourage everyone to have a poke around in the comments, as many questions and points have been covered, and there are some great comments. Apologies if it looks like your comment has disappeared. ***
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August 11, 2011 at 11:51 am
Tom
Please please please get a real job you left-wing loser. alternatively, if you hate it here so much, why not do us a favour and fuck off to Cuba or some other socialist/communist hell hole?
August 13, 2011 at 12:24 am
Wez Hind
It is generally agreed that Cuba has the best health service in the world…if only Britain could claim the same..
Also I wonder about the ability of all these people who seem only able to talk about politics in terms of left and right… I think it’s a bit more complicated than that, wouldn’t you agree?
This is called free speech Tom, perhaps if you don’t llike it, then you should be the one moving to a hell hole, I believe they frown on free speech ‘there’, so you’d be amongst your peers.
August 11, 2011 at 11:52 am
EJ Ruane
Well done ‘James’, the weakest, most desperate counter-argument of the day! You tell us the article is….(roll on the drums)…. ‘self-righteous’.Jesus wept, Clarence Darrow lives! James, there are fellers on death row who have just had their final appeal turned down by the state governor, who are less desperate than you. If you wore a t-shirt with “BRING BACK MAGGIE” or “THE POOR SMELL!!” written across the front of them, that would leave us in MORE doubt about your opinions than your self-righteous ‘criticism’ does. But keep at it PLEASE. You have no idea what a tonic, frustrated rants like yours are to people like me.
August 11, 2011 at 12:54 pm
James
You should know that I am no fan of the tories, indeed would never vote Conservative, voted Lib Dem, although am now a member of my universities’ Labour Society…… Hardly a dyed in the wool Conservative who hates poor people…. maybe if you had actually read the first line of my comment…….????
You give no clear criticisms of my reply or address directly any of the points I have made. The article IS incredibly smug in the way that it makes it’s naive points and ridiculously hyperbolic statements, in the surety that it has the moral high ground. Is the article serious, is it trying to be funny? I just don’t know… Comedy meets writing??? Really?
I just don’t think a discussion about David Cameron’s background, or the expenses scandal, or the general behaviour of MPs is relevant when discussing these riots
August 11, 2011 at 11:54 am
Simpo
Really good article – lots of sarcasm, wit and valid points. I have to say that I am astonished at the venom in some of the reaction to it. Another reason to be disappointed in society, I suppose.
I think personally, that the problem lies in a deeper analysis of our culture. One of materialism, individuality and greed, which has been fostered ever since the 1980s. All that works fine when things are going well, but when they are going badly it backfires. The ringing question must be “why are people looting and rioting?” And the answer is not “because of the yob culture” – that is a symptom, not a cause. We must address why we have that culture in the first place. I do not know the answer, but then I am not a sociologist or criminologist.
Oh, and frankly I am sick to death of people suggesting using the army, rubber bullets and tear gas. As if that is going to help.
August 11, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Charlieboy
I’ve just had a really radical idea: let’s blame the rioters and looters for the rioting and looting. Too muich for you to take in? I thought as much.
August 11, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
That’s fine. And then let’s blame those responsible for the ‘corrupt, greedy, and criminal culture’ we’ve heard so much about in Parliament this afternoon for *that*, shall we? Unless the distinction is too much for you to take in…
August 11, 2011 at 11:59 am
Chris D
Bang on the money, I enjoy the jovial nature of this blog, I appreciate the humour used and the irony of blaming our Dave’s parents for his obvious shortcomings as a human being, the mere thought of Cameron Jnr and his cohorts within the halls of Whitechapel being moralistic examples to the whole of society is very galling indeed. Top marks
August 11, 2011 at 12:11 pm
alex2110 (@alex2110)
I completely accept your points about our politicians being distinctly lacking in moral fibre.
Where the debate becomes even more interesting is if we flip the analysis being pointed at the rioters back around at our leaders.
Thankfully after the initial bleating about “stupid thugs” and “no political motivation” (even though not all the rioters may be conscious of all the driving factors, I can’t imagine rioting more political than that with not clear direction) people are beginning to ask about what the underlying factors are that have brought this about.
If we believe that social & economic inequality and abuse of power by our political and industry leaders is root cause I think we now need to start now asking ourselves how has our system of government and trade allowed this to happen. We could sit here and call our leaders selfish, greedy, power mad hypocrites but where does that get us. Do we think if we changes the actors the outcome of the play would be any different?
I think we really need to start asking ourself what our priorities are as a society. Has the capitalist democratic system taken us as far as we can go or do we just need a bump in the right direction?
Personally I can’t see the power lust and safe centricity of two party politics getting us there.
I don’t see myself as a socialist, communist, marxist, anarchist or anything of that ilk. I really don’t know enough about politics, sociology, psychology or economics to have an answer. I do however think open debate about the ideologies (or lack thereof) that govern out lives needs to return to popular public discourse, as clearly the route we are on isn’t leading us where we want to go.
August 11, 2011 at 12:15 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Mehrtash
“Rioting is the language of the unheard” – Martin Luther King Jr.
It is within our [unwritten] constitution to overthrow the government, to force a general election. But, to use violence would only serve to vindicate the farcical government, giving them the cause to call the people ‘thugs’ and, thus, not listen to the people’s demands. That’s where the protest against the cuts to University fees went wrong – it became hijacked by a bunch of mindless thugs, thus presenting the concerned politicians with the excuse to disregard the entire protest.
To make that positive change, we, the people must gather in our score thousands and march the streets in peaceful protest, refusing to return to our homes until our demands are met. That’s the point and purpose of the government – to represent the people, stand for the people, elected by the people. It is a shame that the vast majority of us Brits have forgotten that.
The power for a positive change within the British government is in the hands of the British people. Its time to use that power.
August 11, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Neil Mc
I agree with you mehrtash – Sorry, in error I pressed the wrong thumb signal. However, remember even peaceful protest is ignored by politicians (Iraq War – I know I was there), and our Parliament with its 9th century electoral system, is totally and utterly unrepresentative of the way the British people vote.
August 11, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Hugh
The one point, perhaps I dare say the most important, that Tapley fails to recognise. Is that while people tend to be annoyed, outraged even, by bent coppers, corrupt politicians and crooked scum hacks they are not frightened by them. Correct me if I’m wrong here but it takes only a very basic level of human understanding to know that people are frightened by gangs of violent youths bent on destruction.
He does make one point of value about the clean-up efforts, admirable all. Or course, he fails to consider any secondary gain that people might get from “tagging” themselves at the clean-up in Clapham on a sunny day so their friends can see what good eggs they are. It would be extremely cynical to suggest anyone would do such a thing, unless of course they are a corrupt politician.
August 11, 2011 at 1:24 pm
helsblah
It would be the most important point if it were not such a tenuous one. The letter takes aim on the manipulative stigmatising of certain members of society and the flaws within that if you allow yourself to take the comparative facts of individual actions (and the flaws in tarring masses with the same brush regardless of circumstances and individual actions) on their merits about everyone in society. Making that point by comparing the most powerful is not a failure to recognise why individual citizens assess who they need to be afraid of in a practical sense in numerous different ways.
Although I have to say in my opinion you fail to recognise (or at least you chose to ignore it in your comment) the practicalities of such fear – I’m more frightened of corrupt politicians and crooked upper corporate management, and I think a lot of other people fear them too but acknowledge that elephant in the room and the helplessness of dealing with it and you might go insane.
August 11, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
Indeed they are, Tony. I’m suggesting that those who are best fit to lecture others about gangs of violent youths bent on destruction are perhaps those who were not members of gangs of violent youths bent on destruction when younger themselves. Those who burned down buildings in their youths themselves (Nick Clegg) needn’t feel they have any moral high ground from which to preach.
And your attempt to brand people’s participation in spontaneous cleanup efforts as some sort of selfish action does you no credit at all. It just smacks of someone who would rather everything were done by the state for them, as no good action can be done by people themselves. To be unable to conceive of a true desire to help others is no moral virtue.
August 11, 2011 at 12:40 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Tony
A so called friend posted this on Facebook and so I had the misfortune to see it. Can’t belive you have got nothing better to do than drag up very old news to draw some comparison with the rioters. You must be a bit mixed up in the head.
The rest of the world laughs at us and in particular both these events. 1) Because MP’s were caught fidlling anything from a few hundred pounds to a few thousand. For goodness sake Politicians in other countries normally embezzle millions and we get our knickers in a twist because MP’s used the rules as they were at the time for their advantage. Show me an employee that has not added a few miles on to their mileage expenses and I’ll show you a liar. As for the riots – it is laughable – Liberal, lilly livered Britain has just felt the full effects of a society broken by political correctness, equal opportunities gone bonkers and a complete breakdown of common sense over discipline, schooling, immigration and what should be required to live in this country and be British.
This blog is tacky and sad. Please find something better to right about. The world is in crisis, rioters loot our streets and you try to compare Camaeron and his cronies to the looters by blaming his parents one of whom is dead?? Get real.
August 11, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Anders Bramsvik
You don’t have to be the head of the ‘Maggie 4 Lyf” Club to highlight problems with this article. I look forward to EJ Ruane getting all intellectually superior, without actually reading the comment, over every counter comment to this piece
August 11, 2011 at 1:27 pm
mary
Please find something better to right about…..The word is ‘write’!!!
August 11, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Tony
Too much haste – less speed – thank you.
August 11, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
Try reading it again. This time think about it before you speak.
I am clearly not ‘comparing’ rioters to MPs. What I am doing is highlighting the hypocrisy of blaming a) parents or b) a ‘culture of greed and criminality’ for the riots without once stopping to examine how much politicians themselves contribute to that culture, foster that culture and perpetuate that culture.
If they were actually preaching personal responsibility that would be one thing, but they are not. They are demonising tendencies in others that they themselves wallow in regularly.
August 11, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Washington Irving
Frankly I would dispute the extent to which politicians actually have personally directly contributed to that culture. The MPs expenses scandal was probably far from the mind of most of these rioters, and surely the reasons that led so many to behave as they did are much much deeper rooted.
August 11, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Tony
The blame for the mindless thuggery is about a social environment that has gone soft and lost the ability to understand the difference between right and wrong. You article purports to be comedy – it just is so not and any connection or argument is tenuous beyond belief. But dont worry Mr Tapley – put your feet up and relax because it is this generation that will be paying your pension – lucky huh?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424
August 11, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Southend Tony
What a load of bilge.
August 11, 2011 at 1:01 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 1:23 pm
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This is beautiful
August 11, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Neil Mc
Nathaniel, It is a devastating “open letter” to Cameron, and it sums up my feelings exactly.
However, you have omitted to mention the fact that Cameron employed at the heart of 10 Downing Street a man (Andy Coulson) who was strongly suspected of having committed criminal offences, without even subjecting him to the correct security checks, which it is known he would have failed. Of course we all sincerely hope that Cameron’s motive in employing Coulson was not in order that Coulson could carry out on behalf of the Prime Minister of Great Britain the very same criminal activities that he was suspected of at News International. After all people who embezzle taxpayers money in fictitious expenses to which they are most definitely not entitled, are unlikely to care overmuch about whose telephone conversations are illegally tapped.
Nathaniel, you have also forgotten to mention the expenses for clearing weeds from his garden that the millionaire Cameron wrongly claimed from taxpayers money. However, so devastating are the truths in your letter that we must forgive you and look forward to more such “open letters”.
Some correspondents have tried to almost excuse the politicians for their corruption and embezzlements, but to all decent people that is just as worrying as civil disorder. After all what can we expect from irresponsible people who have very little when we see our millionaire leaders acting in a thoroughly dishonest and corrupt manner, and getting away with it.
August 11, 2011 at 1:28 pm
helsblah
This is magnificent – you take the words right out of my mouth… If mine were funny.
August 11, 2011 at 1:35 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 1:46 pm
george braines
Some of us are trying to change things and bring Communities back together and instill better values, we are small but we make a difference
http://www.ecologiccornwall.org
August 11, 2011 at 1:49 pm
george braines
some of us are trying to change things and inspire
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August 11, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Obtuse is no excuse
I never usually post comments, I like to read think and enjoy, but the bullheadedness of some of the people who have commented has, well, angered me.
The article is obviously a man’s opinion, based on facts.
Yes those facts were picked explicitly to support his point, yes he may not have included the millions of pieces of evidence that are available to him, but there is no need to start clawing at his door to point it out in attempt to indicate your supposed superiority.
I am not in any way suggesting that people refrain from posting if they want clarification on a point, I apologise to Nathaniel for answering on his behalf here, I am sure that he would welcome that discussion.
What I am saying is enjoy the article for what it was meant to be. Don’t pick up on one sentence, take it out of context and make it all about that. Life’s too short, and from the looks of things outside, too messed up to waste it bitching.
If you want to change the world get up out of your armchair and do something other than rant.
And yes, I know this is me ranting.
August 11, 2011 at 1:56 pm
VK
The police themselves have not shown law and order. First there was the death of G8 protest bystander Ian Tomlinson followed by an actual cover up of him being hit by an officer, evidence of brutality against non-violent protestors at the same G8 protest, allegations of bribery and corruption linked to the Murdoch newspaper leading directly to the resignation of the head of the Met in connection with this and subsequently the shooting of a civilian, father of four Mark Duggan attacked in the press and accused of being a gangster who shot the police without any shred of actual evidence . This is brutal, damning and wholly unacceptable. Furthermore, the politicians have not come out rosy in many aspects of what are criminality and corruption in the expenses scandal euphemistically described by many as “mistakes”.
I am a pacifist and would never condone violence but the politicians and police should not be allowed to use the riots as an excuse for more brutality and violence from some unacceptable parts of the Met. However, it is worrying that since the riots, the police have argued that they have been less harsh on the rioters and perhaps saving this for further violence against easier targets like protestors. It would appear the police seemed less violent during the riots as they were actually scared and less likely to hit someone who would hit them back fire with fire. I do not believe all police officers are bad as I watch The Wire written by police officer Ed Wood but those policeman who attack protestors and people are little more than thugs in a uniform.
The criminal law should apply to all equally the police, politicians and not just teenagers because they are now easy targets of hate by mainstream right wing groups. First let us find out who these young people and what they did and why they did it. The politicians seemed to be entitled to a fair trial and the rest of society should be entitled to the same. I am interested if the police have actually arrested real culprits or just arrested people to keep up the numbers. I noted the head of the West Midlands police saying that a black man had been involved. It was not as if there was a search for the culprit and the only reason for giving this information would be to create a divide between the black and asian communities. I think black, white and asian people stand united against all of this nonsense and support the position of peace espoused by Tariq Jahal. I am very sorry for the death of Tariq Jahan’s son and the three other people and am very grateful that he has called for peace. The asian community must not forgot the shooting of Jean Charles Menezes because he looked asian. Go home and judge your self before casting the net outside.
August 11, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Jean Gibson
There was outrage by a local paper some months ago when a small child’s parents were fined for letting (watching) their child pick all the daffodils in a park display. Why do parents not realise that this is the beginning of a life of stealing- taking what you like from others? parenting does have a part to play. Stop throwing money at kids- they need love, attention, moral boundaries at an early age. Punishment from teacher or parent for bad behaviour. It is against the human rights of the victim if he is attacked by another child, and until a short sharp smack teaches the lesson of what is totally unacceptable behaviour and good moral values of right and wrong are universally accepted by all (including politicians, policemen, bankers and so called “celebs”) we have no society.
August 11, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Nick Stettner (@nickstettner)
Surely, at the end of the day, the only thing that really counts is the opinion of the wider public and it’s my observation that the same people that were angry about MPs expenses, are much more scathing of the looters. And it is for the reason that I would not expect this article to receive widespread approval.
Are you really suggesting that because one group is imperfect, they must give up any moral authority in respect of actions that have threatened the lives of many people and left others destitute? MPs are not elected because they are perfect, with zero human failings; they are elected to do a job, and if you are suggesting they shouldn’t be there because they are imperfect, what would you propose as an alternative?
So, whilst I was mildly amused by your article, it doesn’t really get us anywhere, does it?
August 11, 2011 at 2:37 pm
VK
I wholly disagree with Nick Stettner that the article by Nathaniel will not receive widespread approval as people are more scathing of the looters. You provide no evidence for your claim. Although, I would say the mainstream media fails to highlight the discrepancies of politicians trying to preach morality. The number of times this article has been replicated on alternative methods of communication other than mainstream media is an indication of its popularity.
People are aware that if adults in power claiming to preach moral standards can behave like this that they are unlikely to be the right people for telling young or any person what to do. After all, one of the greatest criminals is a warmongering politician who took a country to war on the basis of a lie, killed countless civilians [the deaths are not even counted, how criminal is that?] and is a now a peace envoy in the war zones he created. Cameron has continued the legacy and taken the country to another war. Preach freedom and make wars using taxpayers money. Odd that they have billions of taxpayers to spend on war leading to the death of countless people but little for anything positive like hospitals, schools and the poor youth of tomorrow.
August 11, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Nick Stettner (@nickstettner)
@VK, I’m not really sure why you have chosen to make this post a response to mine, as all you are doing is repeating your own, previous post and not answering any of the points I made.
My mention of the opinion of the wider public was merely an observation of the opinions that have proliferated in various places online, which appear to be overwhelmingly against the looters. Or perhaps I’m just looking in the wrong places?
And I suggested the original article will not receive widespread approval, not that it wouldn’t receive widespread coverage.
I’m interested in hearing your alternative to the current system of elected MPs, with all of their foibles acknowledged; North Korean style communism perhaps?
The one thing I will say about this article though, at least it’s prompted some intelligent debate, which is something that is sadly lacking in the world of tabloid and soundbite media!
August 11, 2011 at 2:08 pm
earthstar
I tried to share this excellent article on facebook but I think it is being prevented as I tried and failed several times. Perhaps because no one wants to explain the discrepancy between police investigating politicians who wrongfully claim expenses mostly considered to have made mistakes where as all young people arrested in the riots are considered looting criminals. I will wait to hear the evidence rather than listen to the same media who falsely claimed that a civilian Mark Duggan had fired at police officers and been shot. This was untrue, he had not fired at officers, he had been shot twice by an officer but died from a single shot to his chest. His family were dismissed and no one even answered their questions until after the riots started. “Sick”, wouldn’t you say Cameron?
August 11, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Tony
If – big if – he was carrying a firearm and was shot by Police. I doubt there would be much in the way of sympathy or understanding of his or his families plight. The Police make mistakes and they cover up to prevent themselves getting into trouble. A bit like all of us in that way really. But in the greater scheme of things they deal with situations on a daily basis that none on this Blog would want to be in. Shooting dead a man carrying a working firearm might be rough justice but he chose to carry the firearm and he died by firearm. My parents always said stay away from trouble and trouble will stay away from you.
August 11, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Neil Mc
Sadly Tony your parent’s advice wouldn’t have helped Ian Tomlinson in any way.
August 11, 2011 at 6:27 pm
VK
Tony, since 2007, officers have only used their guns 29 times in response to actual incidents (not a good statistic) with 110 accidential discharges by armed police – 6 civilian members of the public have been killed by armed police in the last three years.
The police cannot and should not be allowed to kill civilians with impunity and if they shoot them, the matter must be investigated and prosecutions should take place if necessary. If you feel different, perhaps the police should be allowed to do that kind of thing in the area in which you live although I would want to ask your neighbours. It is clear the community in the Tottenham area objected to the shooting of a civilian and protested peacefully to show their disapproval and now someone should be held accountable.
August 11, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Tony
Iam Tomlinson had a choice. He could have walked away from a hostile situation and gone a different way home. Instead he took the view that he had not done anything wrong and was in the right so he carried on his normal life. He was caught up and in the proverbial wrong place at the wrong time. He could have gone a different way to avoid the unrest, but he chose not to. It reminds me very much of so many mutilated, disfigured and disabled motorcyclists who have been hit by other motorists whilst filtering. The Bikers had the law on their side and the motortists should have kept a better look out – instead the motorist get a conviction for driving with undue care and attention and the biker, whilst legally in the right, is crippled for life.Filter at speed as a biker and you will get knocked off.
Play with fire and you will get burned – clear off, get away as far as you can. It is, in my mind, common sense.
Just how often have we heard today from the teenagers arrested. I didn’t do anything – the Police assaulted me, they just picked on me, I was only watching. TOUGH – you should not have been there.
August 11, 2011 at 2:11 pm
D
On the Bullingdon Club. Hurar…
August 11, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Tom
Fantastic piece of writing!
August 11, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Tom
Thought I’d offer a bit more:
Freud (sex obsessed Freud) once said give me the child and I’ll give you the man.
I agree with that insight and for me the relevance of that quote is simply that if you support a society that everyday enforces such a blatant system of haves and have nots, of decent education for some and not for others, for opportunities for an elite, of nice spacious family homes for some and rat concrete holes for others, of three million children living in poverty, which is not just financial poverty but a poverty of values, expectations and parental guidance then you will get a whole section of society/of children that do not become decent rounded human beings but become looters, arsonists and generally full of confused anger, hate and lacking moral fibre… lacking moral fibre just like “Call me, Dave”.
August 11, 2011 at 2:30 pm
William Shier
There is no comedy meeting anything here. Just offensive drivel on a page, no doubt inspired by PC clap trap. I suppose it is spending cuts that is responsible for the riots…. Comedy is meant to be all about timing. Well done on completely off-cuing this verbiage and at the same time missing entirely the popular sense of revulsion for the violence and destruction that has taken place on the streets. Nathaniel has talent.
August 11, 2011 at 2:31 pm
James
Well written, witty and articulate. But I must say, I’d rather have to deal with a handful of crooked politicians (aren’t they all, regardless of affiliation, by the way) than a brick-wielding masked teenager any day of the year.
Let’s not make the mistake of ascribing any sort of political ideology to the events of the last few nights. It’s mindless, recreational vandalism. Or, if we must politicise, let’s not put the issue so easily to bed with a simply ‘Tory scum, spit’. Let’s instead look at how our society has been run for the last fifteen years of government in this country. There we are far more likely to find the cause – and the answers.
August 11, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
I’m not so sure. There are at least some examples of reformed thugs. Whereas Blunkett, Mandelson, Archer, Aitken, David Laws and all of the rest show no remorse or humility whatsoever.
Your second paragraph I agree with completely, except for the odd choice of 15 years as opposed to 20, 30, or 50 (unless you’re just trying to make a partisan anti-Labour point), and it was sort of the point I was making. The vast majority of our politicians both foster and wallow in the culture they also decry.
August 11, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Miso Susanowa
Thank you for this post. As a veteran of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, I know how frightening, disorienting and upsetting these things can be.
No decent person condoned the LA riots, which were hijacked from a legitimate social protest over an unjust trial ruling by thugs and opportunists. Many of us studied the riots for years afterwards, attempting to understand what had happened to us and our cities.
All the simple-minded finger-pointing and name-calling is ludicrous. Huge masses of people do not suddenly “go thug” and attack in such numbers without grave underlying causes; if they did, it would be chaos every day.
We have been shown looting on a mass scale, thievery, underhandedness and chicanery building up for the last 8-10 years under the guise of “business” and “politics.” These wholesale pillagings of society have set an example for the rest; that you need not think nor care about anyone; that the trappings of success are the only worthwhile things to have, and that the law of the jungle, of Darwin and tooth-and-claw pay off and prosper.
Is it any wonder the pressures of inequality, class warfare and the appearance of a feudal-lord type state would cause an outlash? You cannot ignore such social forces; they will explode no matter what the trigger. They will cut across class lines, as we see in the UK now and I saw in Los Angeles. People feel desperate, trapped, used and cynical. They feel manipulated and taken for a ride by their elected officials. They feel the quality of their lives empty and on a road to nowhere.
We have shown people countless examples of smiling men in suits raking in the money while many around them lose houses due to the gambling and outright criminality of bankers and government.
When insanity hits on a mass scale, there is something very wrong at the core of society. You cannot brush that off as “mere hooligans.” You do so at peril of having the same thing happen in larger and larger scale until the problem is solved one way or another.
I am not condoning anarchy or thuggery. I am merely sadly observing the same stressors and conditions that have caused many riots before and will cause them again. We here across the Pond are expecting them soon.
Stay safe, help neighbors, remember that no matter how big it looks, the good people far outnumber the opportunists. Find them and get together with them. Ask questions later, when you have cleaned up and fixed what can be fixed. Then ask HARD questions.
My good wishes and my sympathies to my UK cousins.
August 11, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
Thank you for this. I think it odd that some commenters should want every sentence prefaced with “Looting is wrong.” I would have hoped that, in a civilised society, we could take that as a given and then try looking a little deeper. Thanks again for the insight into another set of riots.
August 11, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Thomas
Amen.
August 11, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Mark
What Mrs Cameron might have written:
Dear Mr Tapley
Thank you for your ‘open’ letter of 10 August addressed to my late husband and I, criticising our son David.
I can understand why you would be critical of his involvement in the oafish and reprehensible Bullingdon Club as a student, and I certainly don’t condone the disturbance and damage that these young men caused (although as far as I know they stopped short of arson, looting and deliberately running over people in their cars).
I can also understand that you might disapprove of the dubious expense claims of his parliamentary colleagues, his political views and his attempt to fulfil his role as Prime Minister by providing leadership for the country. Of course he and his colleagues have imperfections (and worse) – none of us is perfect, Mr Tapley – but I do not think that this precludes him from expressing his views on “morality in this country”.
What I fail to understand is why you imagine it would be instructive or amusing to write to my late husband and me in this manner. Nor do I understand why you would wish to draw my attention in your letter to matters like the Ecclestone and Hinduja affairs, which are nothing to do with David. I am also concerned at your attack on the occupation of Mr Lansley’s wife; are you suggesting that my son should somehow control the chosen occupations of his Ministers’ wives, on the automatic assumption that they and their husbands are otherwise certain to behave like criminals?
I do not really seek to place any restriction on your self-confessed ‘whingeing’, but may I suggest that rather than reiterating well-worn complaints, you attempt to make your writing either amusing (as your web-site promises) or more constructive. I would also ask you to leave a 77-year old widow with no involvement in politics out of your silly games.
Yours sincerely
Mary Cameron
August 11, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
Yes, it really is despicable when people try to blame parents for things that are their children’s responsibilities, isn’t it?
August 11, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Gani
Mark
What can one say………..I truly commend your response *applause, applause!*
August 11, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Mark
Merci!
August 11, 2011 at 3:14 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 3:21 pm
EJ Ruane
Anders, that..whatever it is, is so convoluted and ‘scruffy’, I can’t answer. I’m genuinely not really sure what you’re saying (maybe a deep breath ands try again?). By the way, loving all the desperate NON-SPECIFIC criticisms. The stuff that doesn’t address anything – stuff like ‘sad’ ‘bilge’ ‘tacky’ ‘self-righteous etc. That for me is the proof that the piece was spot on (“it’s sad”, woooo, tou-fucking-ché)
August 11, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Dave Richardson
Very good at pulling someone apart. That’s the easy bit and us Brits are generally good at that. Shame you haven’t used your comedic writing talents to make some suggestions as to what could be done about everything. 1 out of 5 from me: good introduction but you forgot to complete the rest of the exercise.
August 12, 2011 at 7:08 am
helsblah
Why is it whenever someone points out the obvious flaws in a system or person they have to follow it up with suggestions for how it should be done better?
August 11, 2011 at 3:31 pm
greg
Thanks so much Nathaniel. I also watch commentators and politicians in disbelief, aghast at the level of their hypocrisy. Now that justice means the same as punishment maybe it is time politicians and the police feel the full force of the law.
August 11, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Matthew
The author is right, only Tories fell foul of the expenses scandal. Not a single MP on the left did, or has ever done anything remotely wrong. Ever. Don’t get me wrong Cameron and co aren’t blameless. But no politician is, i know right bashing is really in with you liberal types atm but the world is full of snotty letters. Maybe if the status quo so offends, get off your laptop and do something about it? But then again maybe i’m wrong and this will be the passive aggressive vaguely insulting monologue that really gets things moving to change modern politics. Only time will tell.
August 11, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
You see there are real problems with the youth of today. They haven’t been taught how to read, apparently.
The MPs I mentioned as being involved in corruption scandals were Blunkett, Mandelson, Blears, Tony Blair, Hewitt, Hoon, Byers, Gove, Lansley, Vaizey & Hunt. How many of those do you think are Tories? That’s right. Four. Out of eleven. The majority of the examples I used were from the Labour party. Then there are the repeated occasions on which I have said that the Tories are as bad as, but no worse than Labour. The point is the whole political class is suborned, but you carry on with your ill-informed party-political rants.
“Maybe I’m wrong…” Well, you are. You clearly didn’t read an article you tried to comment on. Can you admit it? Only time will tell…
August 11, 2011 at 3:41 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 3:45 pm
VK
In response to why “I’m not really sure why you have chosen to make this post a response to mine” Dear Mr Nick Stettner (@nickstettner)I responded to your post and am doing so again because you seem to think [without any evidence I may add] that you know what the wider public will approve or not. [the only thing that really counts is the opinion of the wider public and it’s my observation that the same people that were angry about MPs expenses, are much more scathing of the looters]. It appears you are suggesting that a greater number of people disapprove of the rioters not the politicians who have fiddled your expenses. I directly responded to you because you presented no evidence for your observations other than speaking for your imagined public. You then seek to turn around your position and ask me to provide evidence for a claim I have not made. Odd that you do not think this kind of article will elicit approval, after all why were you reading it? I think you say later on. It is clear that many of the people who have responded and shared this article are doing the opposite of what you are claiming. This article is making the politicians answerable in a way that the mainstream media is not and your imaginary public, who are your sources for this information? You then go on to accuse me of North Korean style communism? again your active imagination lacks facts. Many people feel excluded by the current electoral system particularly as the politicians who sit in power get elected on manifestos or there are accusations of vote rigging. Once in power they abandon their manifesto pledges and do what they want. This article is saying this bankrupt British system of lie to your public and then change your mind once in power is not on. Your last point claims that Nathaniel’s article has “prompted some intelligent debate”. Odd given your previous post sought to undermine the whole piece. What was it you said? “So, whilst I was mildly amused by your article, it doesn’t really get us anywhere, does it?” I believe I have responded to all your points, if indeed, they can be called points, sadly I am looking for the considered factual intelligent bits, let me know when you have some actual facts not vague dismissive opinions or your poor attempt to rubbish my challenge to your imaginary claims or my admiration of a well researched piece exposing the hypocrisy of modern day Britain.
August 11, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Nick Stettner (@nickstettner)
@VK, Stop talking rubbish and accusing me of making statements I haven’t made. It is my observation that the majority of the population are vehemently against the looters – shall I explain the meaning of the word ‘observation’ to you?
Equally, I have not accused you of any style of Communism! Read what I wrote – I asked you for an alternative and offered North Korean style communism as one possibility.
And herein lies the real crux of this – lefty keyboard warriors who are so clearly the intellectual superior of the rest of us sniping from the sidelines about everything that is wrong with our political system, how corrupt everyone is blah blah blah.
Well do us all a favour and use your superior intellect to propose something better! I won’t hold my breath.
August 11, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Love Dew
A Fantastic article, and I apologise if this point has already been covered but I only managed 3/4 of the comments before I could contain myself anymore.
I totally agree with this article on the difference in freedoms of those at the head of state and those who make up it’s population.
My sympathy and respect goes out to the police who have become an unfortunate wall between those playing the power game and those who feel the effects of it. The Majority of police have been turned out this last week in order to protect society from those who have no respect for others and yet they themselves have recieved little respect. With numbers in the first few nights in london being far greater than even 2:1 of rioters to police they struggled to protect a whole city.
Shop keepers berated them for not standing outside their shops and defending their individual property. Politicians criticise their slow response.The Fact that they took much abuse and damage seems to have gone unrecognised by some people. The Police are there to protect but the legality of state is making their job that much more complicated.
The press and government are poised to strike at the police breaching peoples freedoms and human rights and yet when a bunch of youths chuck bottles at them and in two nights 111 police officers recieved injuries, some of which included those that were run down by a vehicle. You wonder where the rights of the brave policemen and women have gone. I am impressed that the move to use heavier control wasn’t taken sooner. They have risked their lives and now they are being told that they didn’t do enough. With the world’s economy falling down the pan and the British Governments spending cuts swinging into action from it’s cushioned seat, how does the average Bobby feel? Our public services have become used and abused by everyone. Our Government hides behind it’s social support for good favour but is happy to blame it the moment there is criticism.
Our Teachers are being left to bring up children for parents. If you ask many of your local primary and infant schools you will find that children are increasingly coming to schools with nappies and a lack of understandable language let alone the early stages of morality that a parent should be teaching them.
The Govenment still says that Teachers aren’t doing enough however. If you find the statistics for teachers you will find that many of the older teachers are becoming pushed out and new teachers are lasting only until they are 30. The statistics for suicides are enormous for those leaving public service.
I’m not asking that we allow the police to do whatever they feel like, but I feel that there is an importance in understanding that they are not a seperate entity from everything, They are simply following the orders of their superiors. The people that are giving them those orders, are the government who, as you have stated in this article, are as to blame as the people the police are meant to be watching.
Cameron is correct that we should be moving from a state that is controlling it’s population to a state that is providing consequences. However where we lay those consequences is very difficult. With the Government refusing to fully accept consequences for their own actions, how can they set those for the public.
Cameron, during the news of the world scandal, admitted that the hiring of Andy Colson was entirely his own judgement. He has broken the law by allowing a man of poor record and without proper background checks into a position of power. If a Head Teacher, a Hospital Director or a Chief of Police knowingly hired a man or woman, whilst having the ability to check them out and openly investigate them, did not do so; only to find he was a suspect in a very serious crime. They Would have been either sacked or suspended. So why has he not stepped down?? What would Cameron say about a headteacher that let a pedophile teach because he was the headteachers friend. Even if the pedophile promised he wouldn’t do anything?
He is not leading by example, we live in false democracy where feudalism might as well rule. Has anyone noticed the population of the house of lords recently? To my understanding, Cameron placed a very high number of people into seats of power after the last election, many of them can be traced to be supporters of the conservative party.
We have a Deputy Prime Minister, If Cameron wishes to tell the country that it must start to face consequences for it’s actions, he MUST stand down and accept responsibility.
I dislike pay my taxes knowing that my global representative who holds a position of great respect in the international community, sees himself as above the rule of law that is laid out for every other state representative and member of the population. He may have more power than anyone else in the country but he should be living to the same rules as the average school teaching assistant or hospital cleaner. Change the government and the population will follow.
August 11, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Love Dew
And No I don’t support the riots in the slightest. I have been very empathatic for those that have lost loved ones, posesions and livelyhoods in this crisis. I am a historian by heart and if you observe history, you will see that an identical situation to this may not have been reached but our modern philosophies do not seem to match the realities. The Average People of Britain have changed a great deal but Humanity hasn’t.
August 11, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Stephen King
Im guessing the only reason you are writing this blog is because you have nothing else to do now that you cant write for News of the World anymore. What you wrote was just a list of facts, with numbers and names all stuck together with some basic wit. It barely even made me think, let alone feel anything. Maybe you could get a job re-writing the dictionary or the phone book.
August 11, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Andrew
Very clever Mr Tapley. I am sure there are many who will rush to froth and bubble in their excitement at your piece.
However I shall not be amongst them because, as naive and simplistic as Mr Camerons speech may have been, it does raise the wider (and extremely important) question of parental responsibility.
Anecdotal accounts of the riots coupled with newsreel footage would appear to show the involvement of a worryingly large number of very young children in what are utterly despicable acts. Are we to believe that in every case the parents of these children are completely blameless? At what point does a parent cease to be responsible for the actions their children? Indeed, is it your contention that a parent is NEVER responsible?
Are you suggesting that Mr and Mrs Cameron would have stood by and let a young David loot a shop or two? (there is some evidence in film clips that this is exactly what some parents have done during these riots) Because I very much doubt that that is the case. Or are you making the point that the hypocrisy of law makers in being part of a system that has been corrupt renders them unfit to comment on the actions of the rioters, even if the individual politician was not himself corrupt? In which case, who is to comment, who is to condemn, who is to set about making things right for the future?
You see, what starts out as looking quite clever (although sadly not very funny, despite the promise of same at the head of the page) piece actually quickly melts into an overly simplistic, schoolboy type debating point, and in that light it quickly becomes clear why you are unable to suggest either serious or comedic remedies for the situation.
To criticise is easy Mr Tapley, but to actually do something is much, much harder.
To my mind there is a significant element of parental responsibility. How can there not be when you have 11 and 12 year olds before the courts? Do other factors apply? Yes of course they do.
Perhaps you are right to highlight the oversimplistic line adopted by Cameron on this subject, but in doing so in the way that you have, you yourself are guilty of oversimplifying the subject, and (dare one say it) creating a view that parents have no responsibility…
Since this site is supposed to be humourous I shall finish with this:
Two birds sitting on a perch, one says to the other ” Can you smell fish?”
Ayethangyew
August 11, 2011 at 5:59 pm
VK
In response to the post by Andrew, please specify the exact evidence showing parents who stood by and let their young children loot shops or is this just made up? It is right to question the hypocrisy of law makers who also feel it right to be law breakers as this is what makes makes law pointless and lawless itself. It seems you are arguing that young children with little maturity should be held to account but not fully grown adults who are privileged members of society.
Mr Tapley is simply pointing out that people in glass houses cannot be throwing bricks but instead need to have their own glass house dismantled.
To criticise bad Government is essential in a democracy unless that is you want to live in an authoritarian world led by hypocritical law breakers. This situation is unprecedented and is not just about parental responsibility, it is about the unemployment, the NHS and education system being handed over to private companies, forcing parents into work leaving no one at home but one thing it is not about is waiting to hear from Mr Cameron as he has no values for the reasons demonstrated in the article by Mr Tapley. It seems Andrew, you are the one criticising Mr Tapley as you clearly want to suppress scrutiny of authorities that are now even foisting the cost of riots which initially was earmarked as £100 million by insurance companies and has since escalated to £200 million after Cameron agreed with the Association of Business Insurers to take on the burden of a police failure and who pays? The taxpayers not the insurance companies that make millions from households. It seems banks and private companies are always bailed out by the likes of Blair and Cameron but there is no money for young people. Your post is a fact free zone seeking to criticise Mr Tapley.
August 11, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Amii Blately
Which parts in your writing are meant to be humorous? This is a serious question, please answer, because i cant actually se anything that is funny? I just want to know if Im missing something
August 11, 2011 at 4:36 pm
matt
Absolutely bloody fantastic, best article I have read …. probably ever!
August 11, 2011 at 4:47 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Jackdaw
Great post. Can you link to some account of Cameron’s youthful violence, as you describe it in the first paragraph? I’d like to post a link to this but, as an American, I’m afraid the reference is lost on me, and would be lost on most of the people I’d send it to.
August 11, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
Hi Jack,
Some of David Cameron’s violent, property-damaging history as a member of the Bullingdon Club is here: http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/2010/04/exclusive-david-cameron-and-the-bullingdon-night-of-the-broken-window/
An account of when Nick Clegg (Deputy Prime Minister) burned down two buildings as a youthful prank is here: http://bit.ly/nALIDG
August 11, 2011 at 4:58 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Jackdaw
Hi, Nathaniel, and thanks for the response. Could I ask you to stick those links in your original piece? I wouldn’t expect most people to read this far down in the comments. — And please forgive me if I meddling or asking you to dumb things down: I’m simply trying to make sure your point is made clear to people beyond what I take to be it’s original audience (this post is going viral pretty quickly, and a lot of its readers won’t have heard of the Bullingdon Club, will find the first graph opaque, and won’t scroll way down to the bottom to get the reference).
August 11, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Alan McKirdy
Billy Connolly once said “Anyone who ever desires to be an MP should be barred for life from ever becoming one”