Dear Mr & Mrs Cameron,
Why did you never take the time to teach your child basic morality?
As a young man, he was in a gang that regularly smashed up private property. We know that you were absent parents who left your child to be brought up by a school rather than taking responsibility for his behaviour yourselves. The fact that he became a delinquent with no sense of respect for the property of others can only reflect that fact that you are terrible, lazy human beings who failed even in teaching your children the difference between right and wrong. I can only assume that his contempt for the small business owners of Oxford is indicative of his wider values.
Even worse, your neglect led him to fall in with a bad crowd. He became best friends with a young man who set fire to buildings for fun. And others:
There’s Michael Gove, whose wet-lipped rage was palpable on Newsnight last night. This is the Michael Gove who confused one of his houses with another of his houses in order to avail himself of £7,000 of the taxpayers’ money to which he was not entitled (or £13,000, depending on which house you think was which).
Or Hazel Blears, who was interviewed in full bristling peahen mode for almost all of last night. She once forgot which house she lived in, and benefited to the tune of £18,000. At the time she said it would take her reputation years to recover. Unfortunately not.
But, of course, this is different. This is just understandable confusion over the rules of how many houses you are meant to have as an MP. This doesn’t show the naked greed of people stealing plasma tellies.
Unless you’re Gerald Kaufman, who broke parliamentary rules to get £8,000 worth of 40-inch, flat screen, Bang and Olufsen TV out of the taxpayer.
Or Ed Vaizey, who got £2,000 in antique furniture ‘delivered to the wrong address’. Which is fortunate, because had that been the address they were intended for, that would have been fraud.
Or Jeremy Hunt, who broke the rules to the tune of almost £20,000 on one property and £2,000 on another. But it’s all right, because he agreed to pay half of the money back. Not the full amount, it would be absurd to expect him to pay back the entire sum that he took and to which he was not entitled. No, we’ll settle for half. And, as in any other field, what might have been considered embezzlement of £22,000 is overlooked. We know, after all, that David Cameron likes to give people second chances.
Fortunately, we have the Met Police to look after us. We’ll ignore the fact that two of its senior officers have had to resign in the last six weeks amid suspicions of widespread corruption within the force.
We’ll ignore Andy Hayman, who went for champagne dinners with those he was meant to be investigating, and then joined the company on leaving the Met.
Of course, Mr and Mrs Cameron, your son is right. There are parts of society that are not just broken, they are sick. Riddled with disease from top to bottom.
Just let me be clear about this (It’s a good phrase, Mr and Mrs Cameron, and one I looted from every sentence your son utters, just as he looted it from Tony Blair), I am not justifying or minimising in any way what has been done by the looters over the last few nights. What I am doing, however, is expressing shock and dismay that your son and his friends feel themselves in any way to be guardians of morality in this country.
Can they really, as 650 people who have shown themselves to be venal pygmies, moral dwarves at every opportunity over the last 20 years, bleat at others about ‘criminality’. Those who decided that when they broke the rules (the rules they themselves set) they, on the whole wouldn’t face the consequences of their actions?
Are they really surprised that this country’s culture is swamped in greed, in the acquisition of material things, in a lust for consumer goods of the most base kind? Really?
Let’s have a think back: cash-for-questions; Bernie Ecclestone; cash-for-access; Mandelson’s mortgage; the Hinduja passports; Blunkett’s alleged insider trading (and, by the way, when someone has had to resign in disgrace twice can we stop having them on television as a commentator, please?); the meetings on the yachts of oligarchs; the drafting of the Digital Economy Act with Lucian Grange; Byers’, Hewitt’s & Hoon’s desperation to prostitute themselves and their positions; the fact that Andrew Lansley (in charge of NHS reforms) has a wife who gives lobbying advice to the very companies hoping to benefit from the NHS reforms. And that list didn’t even take me very long to think of.
Our politicians are for sale and they do not care who knows it.
Oh yes, and then there’s the expenses thing. Widescale abuse of the very systems they designed, almost all of them grasping what they could while they remained MPs, to build their nest egg for the future at the public’s expense. They even now whine on Twitter about having their expenses claims for getting back to Parliament while much of the country is on fire subject to any examination. True public servants.
The last few days have revealed some truths, and some heartening truths. The fact that the #riotcleanup crews had organised themselves before David Cameron even made time for a public statement is heartening. The fact that local communities came together to keep their neighbourhoods safe when the police failed is heartening. The fact that there were peace vigils being organised (even as the police tried to dissuade people) is heartening.
There is hope for this country. But we must stop looking upwards for it. The politicians are the ones leading the charge into the gutter.
David Cameron was entirely right when he said: “It is a complete lack of responsibility in parts of our society, people allowed to think that the world owes them something, that their rights outweigh their responsibilities, and that their actions do not have consequences.”
He was more right than he knew.
And I blame the parents.
*** EDIT – I have added a hyperlink to a Bullingdon article after a request for context from an American reader. I have also added the sentence about Nick Clegg as this was brought to my attention in the comments and it fits in too nicely to leave out. That’s the way I edited it at 18:38 on the 11th August, 2011 ***
***EDIT 2 – I’ve split the comments into pages as, although there were some great discussions going on in them, there were more than 500 and the page was taking *forever* to load for some people, and not loading at all for others. I would encourage everyone to have a poke around in the comments, as many questions and points have been covered, and there are some great comments. Apologies if it looks like your comment has disappeared. ***
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August 11, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Tim
Love this.
August 11, 2011 at 5:22 pm
bigbrother
Thank you for shining a light on the looters we dont see. who have are trust. and are suppose to be there for US! is it any wonder that the kids go for crime. there roll models are criminals. we are getting deeper in to the big brother system. but not for the people at the top. they need to set an example and let use see Ever thing they do and say. ever penne they spend should be on there web page. not just the ones over 500.00. if they dont do this. then they show that they are hiding there crimes.
August 11, 2011 at 5:27 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Dave
I got bored half way through reading this post. I don’t even know how I got to this page. This is an open letter that Mr & Mrs Cameron will never read. Even if they did, there is nothing they would or could do.
August 11, 2011 at 5:41 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Nick
Nathaniel and Esma,
The Young Foundation has set up a venture called The Citizen’s University (http://citizensuniversity.org.uk/) which sounds a lot like what you were suggesting with some sort of mentoring scheme. It’s quite a new venture, just in it’s piloting stages, so I’m not sure how effective it’s been so far, but in theory it sounds like a brilliant idea to me.
p.s. great article!
August 11, 2011 at 6:09 pm
Mr W
I wonder if I can make a rather different point. David Cameron has a good life, has a rich and full life, and for helping him achieve that life he can thank his parents; and in that they can (and could, in the case of his father, who was by all accounts an admirable man) be very proud. The rioters, by and large (and this is a huge generalisation, but not an unfair one) have impoverished, narrow lives. That’s the tragedy, to have that little self-control, and that little empathy; and it’s bad for society, but surely it’s worse for them. The prisons we build ourselves are the hardest to escape. Most of the looters, had they had parents like the Camerons, would have had enough respect for themselves and for others to have been horrified at the very idea of what they have sunk to.
August 11, 2011 at 6:10 pm
The Thin Man
Not a bad article. Some truth, some opinion, quite amusing. Reading some of the replies though………wow. I don’t vote, therefore my criticism of politicians is limited to the system itself, which flatlined a long time ago. Kept on life support by the natural born liars in suits because otherwise they might fully realise just how utterly useless they are. There are no good politicians because once they’re in they’re dead from the neck up. Go ahead though, vote, then blame the other side for getting it wrong. Help keep this antiquated, petrified system alive. Good job. Better still; try going out on an evening with a loaded gun, challenge the police, see what happens. Can’t complain about police brutality when your dead. It’s the parents though, isn’t it? Rubbish parents surely produce rubbish people…..but they are only partly to blame.
If you want to know who is really at fault with the poor state of our society……take a good, long look into a mirror. How fucking pathetic is it to blame politicians, police and parents when some of the population runs riot? Very. WE are to blame for this. WE keep on voting. WE raise our children to expect material goods at Christmas. WE base our lives on jobs we hate and the pursuit of money. WE perpetuate the myth that childbirth and family is sacred (it really isn’t). I could go on……..I won’t (this list could be huge). I despise politics and anyone directly involved in it for not seeing the big picture. The entire political system needs to be dismantled and rebuilt from the ground up into something that works for the people, not against. Until then all your empty, shallow, pointless political skirmishes are nothing but stinky farts in the wind. So, if the by-product of your time wasting comes wafting in through your window at work, and you gag because of the eggy stench, try not to blame the wrong people.
Me? I give up. As far as I’m concerned this planet will be much better off without us. But if you want change in the world then I suggest doing something……? Blaming others, spawning and voting will only bring you more misery.
August 11, 2011 at 6:12 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 6:23 pm
lostlifefound
Great post Nathaniel. The MPs with their short memories were breaking laws for years and standing up as role models for the rest of us. Just one year into following proper expense procedure and you would think that all the duck houses and 2nd home rip-offs had never happened. This whole week has made me sick!
August 11, 2011 at 6:25 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 6:34 pm
frank keefe
even if what you say is true havent you heard the saying two wrongs dont make a right.Cameron and those MPs are in government now and its through them that laws are put on the statute book.. laws which we hope will put an end to this liberal\left wing softly softly approach that people like you have advocated for decades and this is the result.No respectful fear of the police or authority.A if I cant have it for nothing I will steal it culture.Im from an era when my mother had 2 jobs to put food on the table she was divorced from my violent father yet we did have a respectful fear of the police and if we as teenagers broke the law there would be a price to pay AND WE KNEW IT.The benefit culture where if you work you are worse off than those on benefits is pathetic.Its going to take a long time to get back the self respect I knew when I was a kid but maybe from something bad will come something good and do you know what.. your time is past and decent people like the youth leader Shaun Baileys time has come.
August 11, 2011 at 6:42 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Dave Cooper
What a load of old crap. He was possibly with a group of people who broke a window. Didnt see anything linking him with robbery, looting, mugging and arson, but if you dont exaggerate the story in this pathetic article I don’t suppose your sheep will read it.
August 11, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Jackdaw
Thank you.
August 11, 2011 at 7:00 pm
John
“There is hope for this country. But we must stop looking upwards for it. The politicians are the ones leading the charge into the gutter.”
100% correct.
August 11, 2011 at 7:07 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 7:24 pm
lisa
brilliant letter. wouldn’t change a fing. Pete. you are a twat. you have completely missed the point with your right wing , nationalist, sun-headline, cliche’d bollox. by the way, ‘London’, the police are now admitting that there was no ‘exchange of fire’. Mark Duggan was not holding a gun and the bullet that hit the policeman was a police issue bullet. Nevertheless, they shot him in the face with a sub machine gun. shades of Jean-Charles de menezes. People dont hate the police for no reason. They are dangerous thugs. Generally speaking, people with much to lose do not tend to riot or loot. poeple with fuck all do it. inequality is the root of evil. p.s. so sorry to hear he had to cut short his holiday in Tuscany. boo fucking hoo. David Cameron, by the way, is responsible for more deaths than any rioters are. we have invaded Libya, remember. (to liberate their oil)
August 11, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Alex J. Napier Holland
Aside from conflating Labour and Tory MPs, this article fails to note that – regardless of corruption – someone who decides to wake up and go to work each day, is automatically an eminently better, more valuable human than one which collects Jobseekers.
August 11, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
Right. So the primary school teacher who went to work every day and took part in the looting is an eminently better, more valuable human than someone who was made redundant last month and is claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance? Why do you love the looters so much?
August 12, 2011 at 8:29 am
Tom
Even Estate Agents?!
I’d say it wholly depends on the job and whether it makes society a better or worse place. A person going to work to do ill deeds, i.e. file dodgy expense claims, sex up dossiers or even take bribes from NOTW reporters, is worse for society than one staying in bed eating Jaffa Cakes for a year… before returning back to gainful employment boxing aforementioned Jaffas.
August 12, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Wez Hind
Really? A more ‘valuable’ human! You really need to record yourself and then listen to what you’ve just said. Maybe then talk to a miner who lost his/her job in the 80s and had to claim unemployment benefit (which he’d contibuted something called National Insurance to for many years just in case exactly that thing happened) or maybe you don’t like classical music. Much of this was written whilst the composers where under patronage… You might ask yourself what gives you the expertise to judge the value of human beings you haven’t even met… Your comment is actually quite creepy. Have you considered creating a political party? Maybe your ideals could be called National Socialism…and then adopt an ancient indian symbol representing ‘well being’ and reverse some of its lines… oh why go on, you probably have absolutely no idea what I’m referring to…
ps I’m not one of those ‘Jobseekers’… just thought I’d mention it before you start entertaining ideas that your mind may not be able to host.
August 11, 2011 at 7:40 pm
mary
Cleggover is another hypocrite –
As a 16-year-old exchange student in Munich, Germany, he was sentenced to a term of community service after he and a friend burned a collection of cacti belonging to a professor. When news of the incident was later reported during his time as Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman, Clegg said it was something he was “not proud” of.[15]
Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Clegg
August 11, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Digger
Nathanial: the letter, the ‘irretrievably glib cock’ comment. All quite brilliant. I salute you. You are worthy of your enemies. What happened with the drink to Hamish? did you score?
Hmmm- the media as a forum for debate? Or divide and rule? I note how many people are resorting to personal attacks…. why? keep the servants bickering, whilst we loot the silver. I am being ironic. Is this free speech or fiddling whilst Rome burns? Not sure.
I feel a comfortable apertif, or after-dinner addition to the MP’s expenses scandal is the murky world of corporate bail outs, incentives and ‘gifts’. Please, I send out a plea- is there a disgruntled banker whose willing to be a mole! We need facts.
Can someone out there who knows much more than me about the corporate bail outs, various investments, mortgages and hedge funds, and other ways that financial Britain protects and bolsters itself please write more, I want to know. With delight I found a lengthy (and indigestible report) on Barclay’s Bank role in supplying a $40 recently million defunct missile system to Tanzania. And Tanzania is suing them. They’ve ‘agreed to pay it back’. I remember the Northern Rock bail out, are there any more? I think it’s time we (I ) focus on this. It’s a good dancing partner for the MP’s expenses scandal. The trouble is that companies are protected- sure you spend hours in companies house; but finding out who owns what, what subsidies exist, just how much for example our major banks actually own (and WHAT is it that they own, please?)is hard. Some ‘inyerface’ easy to cope with figures about how much we, per capita, pay to keep various heads of companies on their six figure salaries would be v interesting I feel. We are talking about social inequality, hypocrisy, greed and consumerism…. the above are all pertinent.
Sorry to be a stickler, but I really want figures. Does anyone know? Thanks.
August 11, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Kaloptic
-“No people is fully civilized where a distinction is drawn between stealing an office and stealing a purse”.
Theodore Roosevelt
August 11, 2011 at 8:17 pm
v300
I am confused.. Is the letter meant to acuse “PM´s children” refering to all these kids in streets, or his real kid. Because if the author is blamig Cameron as a politician for all what´s happenning, don´t you think it is stupid to blame a guy who was elected few months ago? I think the problem is much deeper than “a year” or how long Cameron is MP for..
Or the letter is meant to be targeted to politicans, but Cameron is just an easy aim.. Still I don´t believe the problme lies only on political decision in past many years, but it is much deeper in the society and inside everyone on us..
August 11, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Kati
If the looters offer to pay back the value of what they stole just as the mps did when caught fiddling their expenses, will that be ok with the judiciary then?
August 12, 2011 at 1:11 am
barry-o-matic
In accordance with that premise, 50% should be enough to pay back in some arbitrarily-decided cases…
August 11, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Dave Cooper
To Lisa. You sad loser. Sound slike you were involved in the riots. Lock the door luv, the old bill will be round anytime soon.
Didnt see you asking why Duggan needed to carry a loaded gun. And would you rather see Gaddafi kill innocent citizens?
I thought the loony left had crawled back under their rocks but looks like you are trying to escape.
Dont forget to pick up your benefit cheque while its still available.
August 11, 2011 at 9:28 pm
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August 11, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Chetter Hùmmin
C’mon! He was on top of the world! He just had a “gelato” named after him!
August 11, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Shocked
Stop dredging up the expenses issue. These riots are inexcusable however you dress it up. the tax payers are the ones who fund these lunatics benefits and then we have to pay for the damage they have created. Also no one mentions that It was a LABOUR government that put us in this debt that has had to result in cuts. Was there not a note left in the Chancellors office saying “it’s all gone” None of these rioters cite political reasons so what is their motive other than being out and out thieves and criminals
August 12, 2011 at 12:47 am
barry-o-matic
Oh my fuck. Of course the riots are inexcusable; let’s dole out some fucking sensible discipline in accordance with the laws of our nation. Isn’t it heartwarming that, unlike Jeremy Fecking Hunt et al, the rioters that are caught will feel the full force of the law, not 50% of it.
Total expenses to be paid back based on party affiliation:
Labour: £446,416.28
Conservative: £449,821.83
Lib Dem: £42,945.18
Others: £38,575.96
Total: £977,759.25
Remember folks, “the tax payers are the ones who fund these lunatics benefits and then we have to pay for the damage they have created”.
So much for the ‘Right’ and the ‘Left’; I think this sums it up better.
http://www.myfishtank.net/forum/freshwater-beginner-information-questions/60927-betta-fish-destroys-his-own-tail.html
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August 11, 2011 at 11:05 pm
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Add my name to the signatories please
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August 12, 2011 at 12:07 am
Will
Fine fine piece! And such is the temper of the country right now, it has even been followed by an equally good piece (I do hope he wasn’t peeking) by Peter Oborne in the Telegraph of all places!
Check out: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100100708/the-moral-decay-of-our-society-is-as-bad-at-the-top-as-the-bottom/
And what’s more, check out the comments… nary a gainsayer in the house. Wonders will never cease.
August 12, 2011 at 12:34 am
Nathaniel Tapley
Yes, I saw that. It chimed almost exactly with this piece. I encourage anyone of any political persuasion to read “The Rise Of Political Lying” or watch his documentary on Islamophobia – they are both superlative (although the book does seem to want – unconvincingly – to tag mendacity as a uniquely New Labour trait).
August 12, 2011 at 12:34 am
Deidree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBgRd12vzv4&feature=player_embedded
Just to show that the Tories DO have something to answer for . . .
August 12, 2011 at 2:11 am
Matteo
you’ve pretty much said everything that i’ve been saying since david cameron got back but far more eloquently therefore i’ve been passing this onto as many people as i could.
August 12, 2011 at 4:49 am
Jonathan Baker
Viva la revolution
August 12, 2011 at 6:05 am
Rena
On the issue of parenting, you may want to consider those that are doing their best in a bad situation. Their socioeconomic circumstances may mean that they need to work longer & harder in order to maintain the basics leaving their children for longer to their own devices. Throw in the fact that early intervention and youth services are stripped from the very communities that need them most, an out-of-touch government on social policies and you have prepared a foundation for a disaster to happen. Cameron authorizing submission by force, will only serve to make those opposing the current measures even more determined. When you say “the gloves are off”, those are fighting words well understood by the community they are directed at.
But maybe Cameron knows this anyway, and will use the resulting violence that will escalate from this to first chip, tag & track those “criminals” and later the society at large. Don’t you remember the tube bombings that were used as a justification to install cameras on every street in London? That is how you boil a frog.
August 12, 2011 at 7:48 am
Nathaniel "Perfect" Tapley
Instead of writing this drivel (comparing fiddling expenses to people burning property and killing people is crass) and spending so much time replying to everyone, why don’t you go out and do something useful? Oh, first you might want to fix your web site, it’s damn slow.
August 12, 2011 at 7:54 am
Garnet Mimms
Since you’re so keen on providing links to back up your arguments, perhaps you’ll produce one in which David Cameron exclusively lays the blame for rioting upon parents, rather than – as I suspect to be the case – suggesting than in the specific instance of 11-year-olds participating in looting, the parents were at least partially responsible for their children’s actions? Because if he never actually said “the parents are to blame”, it seems that the crux of your piece is somewhat flawed.
After all, I’m sure you can appreciate the importance of responsible parenting (http://twitter.com/#!/Natt/status/91609737447227392)
August 12, 2011 at 8:24 am
Mark Joy
Right you are Nathaniel – Cameron should have said nothing, yes? or couched it in terms that were ‘well obviously I’m not one to cast stones but…’ or maybe just stayed quiet, a bit ashamed that he broke a wiindow at University. Of course he should. Because that approach works much better, right? We all know what you’ve said but we all know that we have a Government and that there job is to broadly sort this sort of thing out after it happens and to learn and do somethig about it – are you an anarchist perhaps? or did you not vote? because if that is your way just who will sort it out and send the police out and put the fires out? the brush carriers of Clapham? I dont think so. Its an old and very broken record you are playing – the holier than though mud slinging which presumably makes you feel very clever at dinner parties in, let me guess… Chiswick, but doesn’t really help anyone. People far better informed than you have found this stuff out, exposed it and hopefully hastened its end, all you’ve done is abused a dead old man, garnered some shallow praise from 140 odd people here and made yourself look a bit mean. Leave the parents alone, and say something original or do something – more than being so funny I mean
I presume you are out volunteering in sink estate as we speak??
Rest easy though, because I am a reactionary old Tory who thinks that a few more smacks on the legs of naughty children might have made a difference, so my views don’t count
August 12, 2011 at 8:33 am
Anon
A very informative piece…well researched and brilliant reading – I would only say I do not think it is fair to suggest that the ‘police failed’…Many police officers across the country left their loved ones in a call to arms and were courageous in there efforts to protect…with budget cuts across the board they have been set up to struggle – the riot squads of other countries have vocalised how incredibly difficult it is to police the kind of rioting that took place in London and even more so if you are MASSIVELY out numbered…which although it could be said, is almost a certainty when taking on large crowds, you have to account for how wide spread the outbreaks were and how quickly they developed.
To some extent society/the system, relies on our instinct to look out for one another – recent events are a testament to the character of those that are quick to protect and comfort their neighbour – whether permanent or momentary.
August 12, 2011 at 8:39 am
John Taylor
This blog exposes the elephant in the room of the riot debate and the same-old reactionary and remedial view of (only) the underclass that is currently getting regurgitated across our national political, media and law & order discourses. We don’t just have the problem of consumerised and alienated young people from the ‘under’ classes, hiding under hoods and ferally wrecking and stealing from their own communities – we have the gluttonously greedy ‘upper’ classes, consciously setting themselves apart from the rest of us, hoarding wealth and avoiding taxes, hiding behind suits and ferally wrecking and stealing from their own country!
Is it that difficult to discern the roots of civil rottenness in advanced capitalist society? In moral terms I think the words “Irresponsible” and “Deregulation” are pretty close in implication, if not in meaning. Have you noticed what the rioters and the rich have in common? They both say “We can do what we want and nobody can stop us”.
So never mind lamenting the emotionally illiterate and abdicant parenting of the teenage gang members and the street kids, Nathaniel is right to lampoon and raise questions about the suspect parenting of todays’ politicians, city slickers and Etonian types.
August 12, 2011 at 9:09 am
hearadh
do you write speeches for Ed Miliband?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ed-miliband-links-riots-to-scandals-2336478.html
August 12, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Nathaniel Tapley
No. Unless he wants speeches that read: “I am a spineless goon. I resign.” I will happily write that one for him.
August 12, 2011 at 9:11 am
felinefan
Will his father be reading this from heaven do you think? – he died last year!
August 12, 2011 at 9:23 am
felinefan
Please feel free to ignore/delete the above – missed comment at start!
August 12, 2011 at 9:35 am
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August 12, 2011 at 9:37 am
Matt
If you want to criticize the Bullingdon club then fine, but to compare their activities to the riots (5 Dead, hundreds of millions of pounds worth of damage, people with every single one of their posession destroyed) is idiotic, and makes your whole piece sounds like petulant whining.
August 12, 2011 at 9:39 am
Pissed off overtaxed pensioner
What nobody seems to have mentioned is the fact that the welfare state has created a society of scroungers who breed to get more money as the more offspring you have equals more handouts and a bigger house, all paid for by the taxpayer. We now have so many unwanted and unsupervised offspring with nothing to do and no encouragement or good example from parents who do not want to work, and have no intention of working but still make a lot of noise about imigrants who ‘take their jobs’ etc. There are always the exceptions to this rule but I think you get my message.